zero water change 20 and a 75 - UPDATE 56k hehe

TheOtherGeoff · 08-08-2007, 05:08 PM

havent posted any pictures or much of anything lately, just been lurking. summer has sucked, got laid off a a job, struggled finding a new one so the tanks havent really done a whole lot. eveyrthing i have is trimmings and such from the same tank or another one but here are two pictures of the 2 main tanks i keep.

20 long. been yo for close to 2 years now, has yet to have a water change. emperor tetras breed every few months in it

the discus hut formally the cess pool cause it ws just nasty looking but its coming around. still have plans for it.

lemme know what you think, oh and no co2 is used in either

Roc · 08-08-2007, 05:12 PM

What does moon lit mean???/

Great looking tanks I wish I didn't have to add CO2 and do weekly water changes and end up with a tank that looks 1/4 as good as either of yours.....

TheOtherGeoff · 08-08-2007, 05:55 PM

thanks. moonlit is just sometime i have on them..at night time when i feel like it i have moon lights installed on them so the tanks shimmer blue. here an old kinda bad picture of them on the 20..

Roc · 08-08-2007, 08:02 PM

I thought you were refering to a type or style of lighting, I have "moonlights" on my tanks a swell but your sig refers to 10 Gallon Eco, Moonlights, Not much else I thought you grew plants with just moonlights or something

mrbelvedere · 08-08-2007, 10:24 PM

Very cool, especially the 20 gallon. Do you have very soft source water for your top offs?

TheOtherGeoff · 08-08-2007, 10:52 PM

no my water isnt very soft, its not very hard either. its just whatever comes out of the tap then dechlored. no science here whatso ever.

CampCreekTexas · 08-09-2007, 12:12 AM

NIIIIIIICE! What kind of filtration do you have on those?

TheOtherGeoff · 08-09-2007, 12:34 AM

20 has a HOB whisper 20

75 has an xp3

CampCreekTexas · 08-09-2007, 01:15 AM

Thanks for the info, Geoff. Man, they look really beautiful.

**A Hill** · 08-09-2007, 03:01 AM

Similar to my tanks (each a bit smaller though, 55 and 10) I hate waterchanges and they get them once in a while, all top offs dechlorinated breeding RCS and Black Diamonds...

No CO2, just some excel here and there.

Looks good.

-Andrew

danepatrick · 08-09-2007, 03:04 AM

those are absolutely amazing tanks for no co2. can you list the specs of each of the tanks? lighting, dosing if applicable, etc.

ikuzo · 08-09-2007, 07:04 AM

don't you have any problem with no water change?

dudleystinks · 08-09-2007, 09:37 AM

nice one, i have to admit i rarely do water changes either and have no problems. I even have a marine tank where i havnt changed the water for 3 years

lemonlime · 08-09-2007, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danepatrick

those are absolutely amazing tanks for no co2. can you list the specs of each of the tanks? lighting, dosing if applicable, etc.

Ditto.

Extremely interested

**plantbrain** · 08-09-2007, 05:49 PM

They are very easy to care for, no water changes, stable, lazy tanks, generally easier plants, or at least a good part of the biomass are more aggressive easier to grow plants.

There's just a very strong CO2 enrichment bias on most forums/boards.
Many just do not know how or assume it cannot be done or cannot keep their medddling hands out of the tank, or cannot stand not to do a water change.

For those that espouse "Less is more", I cannot see why anyone would not be all for this method. No CO2 takes a huge headache out of all this. Growth is pretty slow except for a few of the faster growers, but the results are actually quite nice.

The tanks often look better on any given day than the CO2 enriched tank

No testing, no dosing(well, fish food and maybe once a week dosing if you want to tweak some), no water changes, no CO2, cheap etc.

Balance that fish load with the plant biomass and things will go well.

This is often a goal for many newbies, but they are often bull dogged into CO2 enrichment and/or high light.

Excel can add another level of tweaking and algae control if desired or if you want to do more fish loading and need to do more frequent water changes monthly, 2 weeks etc.

Then you can grow virtually any plant with that method(Excel, some traces(TMG etc)). I saw some awesome planted tanks recently in Taiwan that had no water changes, no testing, not ferts other than Traces, soil sediment, Excel and a fish load.

They had not done any water changes for about 9 months.
Looks as good as any CO2 enriched tank as far as the method.

Regards,
Tom Barr

Regards,
Tom Barr

08-08-2007, 05:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
TheOtherGeoff Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,347	zero water change 20 and a 75 - UPDATE 56k hehe havent posted any pictures or much of anything lately, just been lurking. summer has sucked, got laid off a a job, struggled finding a new one so the tanks havent really done a whole lot. eveyrthing i have is trimmings and such from the same tank or another one but here are two pictures of the 2 main tanks i keep. 20 long. been yo for close to 2 years now, has yet to have a water change. emperor tetras breed every few months in it the discus hut formally the cess pool cause it ws just nasty looking but its coming around. still have plans for it. lemme know what you think, oh and no co2 is used in either __________________ The Fish Tank, Tranquility in Motion 10 Gallon Eco, Moonlights, Not much else 20 Long T5's, flourite, no CO2, moon lit 75 Gallon T5 & PC, flourite, moon lit, WILD Discus Last edited by TheOtherGeoff; 10-14-2007 at 02:32 AM.

08-08-2007, 05:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Roc Planted Tank Enthusiast (View User Tanks) PTrader: (43) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Richmond, CA Posts: 662	What does moon lit mean???/ Great looking tanks I wish I didn't have to add CO2 and do weekly water changes and end up with a tank that looks 1/4 as good as either of yours..... __________________

08-08-2007, 05:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
TheOtherGeoff Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,347	thanks. moonlit is just sometime i have on them..at night time when i feel like it i have moon lights installed on them so the tanks shimmer blue. here an old kinda bad picture of them on the 20.. __________________ The Fish Tank, Tranquility in Motion 10 Gallon Eco, Moonlights, Not much else 20 Long T5's, flourite, no CO2, moon lit 75 Gallon T5 & PC, flourite, moon lit, WILD Discus

08-08-2007, 08:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
Roc Planted Tank Enthusiast (View User Tanks) PTrader: (43) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Richmond, CA Posts: 662	I thought you were refering to a type or style of lighting, I have "moonlights" on my tanks a swell but your sig refers to 10 Gallon Eco, Moonlights, Not much else I thought you grew plants with just moonlights or something __________________

08-08-2007, 10:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
mrbelvedere Is a secret agent (View User Tanks) PTrader: (51) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Saint Joseph, Illinois Posts: 2,778	Very cool, especially the 20 gallon. Do you have very soft source water for your top offs? __________________ In college....so no aquariums for a while.....

08-08-2007, 10:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
TheOtherGeoff Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,347	no my water isnt very soft, its not very hard either. its just whatever comes out of the tap then dechlored. no science here whatso ever. __________________ The Fish Tank, Tranquility in Motion 10 Gallon Eco, Moonlights, Not much else 20 Long T5's, flourite, no CO2, moon lit 75 Gallon T5 & PC, flourite, moon lit, WILD Discus

08-09-2007, 12:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
CampCreekTexas Planted Tank Enthusiast (View User Tanks) PTrader: (26) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spicewood, TX Posts: 802	NIIIIIIICE! What kind of filtration do you have on those? __________________ ~ Linda ~ Help the PlantedTank.net Fish Database and Plant Database grow! 10Gallon Shrimp Tank How many watts do I need to make my swimming pool a high light tank?

08-09-2007, 12:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
TheOtherGeoff Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,347	20 has a HOB whisper 20 75 has an xp3 __________________ The Fish Tank, Tranquility in Motion 10 Gallon Eco, Moonlights, Not much else 20 Long T5's, flourite, no CO2, moon lit 75 Gallon T5 & PC, flourite, moon lit, WILD Discus

08-09-2007, 01:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
CampCreekTexas Planted Tank Enthusiast (View User Tanks) PTrader: (26) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spicewood, TX Posts: 802	Thanks for the info, Geoff. Man, they look really beautiful. __________________ ~ Linda ~ Help the PlantedTank.net Fish Database and Plant Database grow! 10Gallon Shrimp Tank How many watts do I need to make my swimming pool a high light tank?

08-09-2007, 03:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
A Hill Loosing his mind (View User Tanks) PTrader: (50) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: RI,USA Posts: 4,676	Similar to my tanks (each a bit smaller though, 55 and 10) I hate waterchanges and they get them once in a while, all top offs dechlorinated breeding RCS and Black Diamonds... No CO2, just some excel here and there. Looks good. -Andrew __________________ Its a work in progress right now, by next week I hope to have a good deal done. J'étais Fish Newb

08-09-2007, 03:04 AM	#11 (permalink)
danepatrick Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (44) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: baton rouge, la Posts: 1,311	those are absolutely amazing tanks for no co2. can you list the specs of each of the tanks? lighting, dosing if applicable, etc. __________________ "Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions." - Jurassic Park 38 gallon Journal

08-09-2007, 07:04 AM	#12 (permalink)
ikuzo Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indonesia Posts: 1,752	don't you have any problem with no water change? __________________ Certainly take the advice of others but always, always be yourself - Eric Cantona My Tanks : 100 40 20 16 10 3 1

08-09-2007, 09:37 AM	#13 (permalink)
dudleystinks Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK, Leicestershire Posts: 171	nice one, i have to admit i rarely do water changes either and have no problems. I even have a marine tank where i havnt changed the water for 3 years __________________ please comment on my 20 gallon photo album

08-09-2007, 05:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
plantbrain Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (50) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The swamp Posts: 4,037	They are very easy to care for, no water changes, stable, lazy tanks, generally easier plants, or at least a good part of the biomass are more aggressive easier to grow plants. There's just a very strong CO2 enrichment bias on most forums/boards. Many just do not know how or assume it cannot be done or cannot keep their medddling hands out of the tank, or cannot stand not to do a water change. For those that espouse "Less is more", I cannot see why anyone would not be all for this method. No CO2 takes a huge headache out of all this. Growth is pretty slow except for a few of the faster growers, but the results are actually quite nice. The tanks often look better on any given day than the CO2 enriched tank No testing, no dosing(well, fish food and maybe once a week dosing if you want to tweak some), no water changes, no CO2, cheap etc. Balance that fish load with the plant biomass and things will go well. This is often a goal for many newbies, but they are often bull dogged into CO2 enrichment and/or high light. Excel can add another level of tweaking and algae control if desired or if you want to do more fish loading and need to do more frequent water changes monthly, 2 weeks etc. Then you can grow virtually any plant with that method(Excel, some traces(TMG etc)). I saw some awesome planted tanks recently in Taiwan that had no water changes, no testing, not ferts other than Traces, soil sediment, Excel and a fish load. They had not done any water changes for about 9 months. Looks as good as any CO2 enriched tank as far as the method. Regards, Tom Barr Regards, Tom Barr __________________ www.BarrReport.com >(///)> The monthly Aquatic Plant Horticulture journal

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zero water change 20 and a 75 - *UPDATE 56k hehe*

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