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08-05-2009 01:35 AM
Yassmeena
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Originally Posted by FSM View Post
I use a weekly pill box container thing to put the ferts in. I dose every other day so I refill it every 2 weeks.

How much water do you change each time?
I will be changing 40 gallons 2x a week. A little over 50% ea time.
08-05-2009 12:28 AM
FSM
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Originally Posted by Yassmeena View Post
Wow - you guys are so great! Thanks so much for the dosing informaiton and all the support.

I will go ahead and invest in dry fertz, and follow that dosing schedule. Maybe I'll save space and time by preloading weeky pill boxes or something!

Thanks again!

Yasmin

EDIT: If my discus tanks gets WCs 2x a week, does that change my dosing schedule???
I use a weekly pill box container thing to put the ferts in. I dose every other day so I refill it every 2 weeks.

How much water do you change each time?
08-04-2009 05:18 PM
bradac56
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Originally Posted by speedie408 View Post
Nobody mentioned Turface. I just got some from a local member and have also read on it's high CEC capacity. I've never used it before though. Anyone with personal experience with this stuff? Sorry for thread jacking OP.
Turface is what Lesco replaced SoilMaster Select (SMS) with. It's great stuff and almost identical to SMS and comes in a few new colors.

- Brad
08-04-2009 04:17 PM
speedie408 Nobody mentioned Turface. I just got some from a local member and have also read on it's high CEC capacity. I've never used it before though. Anyone with personal experience with this stuff? Sorry for thread jacking OP.
08-04-2009 04:09 PM
bradac56 No the reason I recommended the EI system is because it's a massive overdose of ferts. That's the reason for the big 50% wc on Sunday, to get rid of the extra. The idea is to give the plants every bit of ferts+light+c02 that they can possibly use so doing a 30% change on Wednesday wouldn't hurt (that's what I do for my Discus tank).

- Brad
08-04-2009 04:01 PM
Yassmeena
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Originally Posted by bradac56 View Post
Yes go ahead and get the dry ferts now. Four pounds of dry ferts is going to run you about $30'ish shipped and will last a lot longer than the Excel products.

You would get nearly the same results if you bought the full line of Seachem products: Excel, Flourish, Iron, Nitrogen, Potassium, and Phosphorus and followed there dosing chart but it would be allot more money over the long run.

For a 70gal tank using t he EI regiment:

Sunday - 50% water change. Add 3/4 tsp KNO3, 3/16 tsp KH2PO4, 1/4 tsp K2SO4, 1 tsp GH Booster
Monday - Add 1/4 tsp CSM+B
Tuesday - Add 3/4 tsp KNO3, 3/16 tsp KH2PO4, 1/4 tsp K2SO4
Wednesday - Add 1/4 tsp CSM+B
Thursday - Add 3/4 tsp KNO3, 3/16 tsp KH2PO4, 1/4 tsp K2SO4
Friday - Add 1/4 tsp CSM+B
Saturday - Rest day

Just dump it in dry about an hour before your lights turn on.

- Brad
Wow - you guys are so great! Thanks so much for the dosing informaiton and all the support.

I will go ahead and invest in dry fertz, and follow that dosing schedule. Maybe I'll save space and time by preloading weeky pill boxes or something!

Thanks again!

Yasmin

EDIT: If my discus tanks gets WCs 2x a week, does that change my dosing schedule???
08-04-2009 03:52 PM
bradac56
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Originally Posted by Yassmeena View Post
Hey there - thanks.

I meant to use the excel and flourish in the meantime until I set up the CO2 in december when funds allow it.

Would the dry ferts be better even know? Also, what results could I expect with the flourish, excel + root tabs as far as plant growth/health?

Thanks!

Yasmin
Yes go ahead and get the dry ferts now. Four pounds of dry ferts is going to run you about $30'ish shipped and will last a lot longer than the Excel products.

You would get nearly the same results if you bought the full line of Seachem products: Excel, Flourish, Iron, Nitrogen, Potassium, and Phosphorus and followed there dosing chart but it would be allot more money over the long run.

For a 70gal tank using t he EI regiment:

Sunday - 50% water change. Add 3/4 tsp KNO3, 3/16 tsp KH2PO4, 1/4 tsp K2SO4, 1 tsp GH Booster
Monday - Add 1/4 tsp CSM+B
Tuesday - Add 3/4 tsp KNO3, 3/16 tsp KH2PO4, 1/4 tsp K2SO4
Wednesday - Add 1/4 tsp CSM+B
Thursday - Add 3/4 tsp KNO3, 3/16 tsp KH2PO4, 1/4 tsp K2SO4
Friday - Add 1/4 tsp CSM+B
Saturday - Rest day

Just dump it in dry about an hour before your lights turn on.

- Brad
08-04-2009 07:38 AM
cyberhog05 I used liquid ferts before I learned how to save money and dose with dry ferts. Dry is the only way to go. With your planted discus tank you will go through so much ferts because of WC's it will make you sick
08-04-2009 04:24 AM
Yassmeena
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Originally Posted by FSM View Post
Dry fertilizer is cheaper. Might as well buy it now if you don't already have liquid stuff. If you've got the liquid ferts, use that til it's gone and then buy dry stuff.
ok - thanks so much everyone... I am going to call my LFS and tell them not to order me the Flourite sand then. Saving money feels good!

Yasmin
08-04-2009 01:55 AM
FSM Dry fertilizer is cheaper. Might as well buy it now if you don't already have liquid stuff. If you've got the liquid ferts, use that til it's gone and then buy dry stuff.
08-04-2009 01:37 AM
Yassmeena
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Originally Posted by bradac56 View Post
I'm a 'Yay' except on the "excel, flourish + root tabs" idea. If your going to go C02 then step up and buy dry ferts and be done with the extra expense.

All you need is:

KNO3
KH2PO4
Trace mix (CSM+B or pfertz.com's "M")
Gh booster (for after water changes only)

from either:

[ http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aq...ertilizer.html ] or [ http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/in...ditU=1&Regit=2 ].

The root tabs are fine as well just a little extra boost for the rooted plants.
Hey there - thanks.

I meant to use the excel and flourish in the meantime until I set up the CO2 in december when funds allow it.

Would the dry ferts be better even know? Also, what results could I expect with the flourish, excel + root tabs as far as plant growth/health?

Thanks!

Yasmin
08-04-2009 12:43 AM
bradac56
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Originally Posted by Yassmeena View Post
Thanks for your comments everyone.

The flourite sand will run me $90 + is no where near as pretty as the pool filter sand. It seems like I can invest that $ into a CO2 system in a couple months, and setup my tank with PFS, excel, flourish and root tabs in the time being.

None of my plants are especially demanding.

How does that plan sound to all of you? You can even respond "yay" or "nay" if you want to avoid repeating info or to save your time. It would still be valuable info!

Thanks!

Yasmin
I'm a 'Yay' except on the "excel, flourish + root tabs" idea. If your going to go C02 then step up and buy dry ferts and be done with the extra expense.

All you need is:

KNO3
KH2PO4
Trace mix (CSM+B or pfertz.com's "M")
Gh booster (for after water changes only)

from either:

[ http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aq...ertilizer.html ] or [ http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/in...ditU=1&Regit=2 ].

The root tabs are fine as well just a little extra boost for the rooted plants.
08-04-2009 12:00 AM
Yassmeena Thanks for your comments everyone.

The flourite sand will run me $90 + is no where near as pretty as the pool filter sand. It seems like I can invest that $ into a CO2 system in a couple months, and setup my tank with PFS, excel, flourish and root tabs in the time being.

None of my plants are especially demanding.

How does that plan sound to all of you? You can even respond "yay" or "nay" if you want to avoid repeating info or to save your time. It would still be valuable info!

Thanks!

Yasmin

EDIT: Also, if I use the PFS (seems like I will), should I add any nutrients to it? If so, can you please give me explicit info (including brands, sources and doses) of what I need to add to my 72 gallon partly planted, with instructions??? Geez.... I feel like I'm asking a lot!
08-03-2009 11:17 PM
idontknow
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Originally Posted by Yassmeena View Post
So seriously - flourite sand does not have any advantage as far as growth power over PFS w dosing of excel and flourish plus root tabs under plants???

Wow - I would love to just have the PFS...... This possibility makes me happy!!!!!!!

Can others comment to confirm this???? I would have to cancel my order of the flourite sand then by tomorrow.

Thanks so much all!!!!!

Yasmin
I used flourite gravel on my 30 gallon. I was using pressurized CO2 and EI dosing of dry ferts. I was growing mostly swords and crypts. When I bought my 125 gallon and moved all my plants over, after a lot of reading, I decided to go with pool filter sand because I couldn't justify spending 300 plus dollars on "plant sand". I am still dosing EI dry ferts and running pressurized Co2. I am NOT using any fert tabs and I am getting just as good of growth from my swords and crypts which are considered "heavy root feeders"

Truth is the plants are not picky and will pull the nutrients where ever they can get them from. In this case the water column.
08-03-2009 09:12 PM
Hoppy Cation Exchange Capacity represents the ability of the sand particles to hold nutrient positive ions, like Fe, Mg, Mn, Ca, NH4, etc., where they will be easier for plant roots to pick them up. This is a definite advantage that Flourite has over pool filter sand. Another sand that can be used is zeolite pool filter sand, which is sand made up of particles of zeolite, which is a mineral form that has an even higher CEC than Flourite. Unfortunately, I have only found 3 zeolite sand products, and two of them are very ugly as a substrate, the one I used being a sickly greenish color.

The problem is that while a high CEC is theoretically a big advantage for plant growth, I don't recall seeing experimental results showing that it is 100% better at growing plants, or 10% better, or 1% better.

I'm currently using plain quartz pool filter sand for my two tanks.

EDIT: I just remembered one test result I have seen. Tom Barr did some testing using two, as I recall, species of aquatic plants, with a few different types of substrates, among which were Lake Tahoe silt, soilmaster select, which is a high CEC material, ADA Aquasoil, S.F. Bay Delta silt, etc. He judged the results, again as I recall, by drying and weighing the plants that grew in the substrates. The soilmaster select was one of the best, Delta silt was one of the best, and Lake Tahoe silt was one of the worst (being largely quartz sand, I would assume). ADA Aquasoil wasn't the best! These results might suggest that high CEC materials do have a significant advantage over pool filter sand.
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