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09-14-2009 07:36 PM
Hilde
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Originally Posted by Homer_Simpson View Post
I believe a 9 litre bag should be enough for a 20 gallon tank.
Is that 20 gallon high or long?
How deep is the substrate?
How high is the water?
07-21-2009 08:14 PM
Homer_Simpson
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Originally Posted by oldpunk78 View Post
well... how's it going?
My apologies to all. I have not had much of a chance to log on or post as I was in the midst of a reflooring job in my condo and am still recovering from the major fall out. It is funny how you don't really realize how much junk you have collected over the years until you have to clear space/declutter. I am in the process of decluttering my whole home as it is pretty cluttered right now. It has been a real challenge leaving little time for much else. I packed the stupid camera and cannot find it. It will be some time before I can locate it and start posting updated pictures.

FWIW, the tank has literally exploded with growth and it is all.....Dwarf Sag. It isn't pretty though. It looks like a lawn that is overgrown with grass and in need of some serious mowing. On the positive side the sole otocat and cherry shrimp still appear to be healthy and reproducing like crazy. I learned that even in a small tank like a 3 gallon, it is pretty easy to get rapid plant growth. More important though, I learned that with a 3 gallon you really have to be careful with the plants you select. I would never again choose dwarf sag for a 3 gallon. The plant is like a parasite. Heck, even in my 40 gallon it is totally taking over the tank and squeezing out the other plants.

On that note, I have 2 emersed setups going which are doing extremely well. A 5 gallon with dwarf hairgrass, bacopa, and cryptocorne lutea and another 3 gallon with HC, and rotala indica. Both tanks were going to get pygme anubias once the rock and branch placement was put in. Sadly though with everything going on, I have yet to flood these tanks and they are long over due for major flooding and submersion. It is interesting to see how well the rotala is doing emersed. It looks totally different from its submersed form. What is really interesting to note is how well the dwarf hairgrass emersed has rooted into the aquasoil. You can literally see an increasing amount of white roots that are becoming more and more visible as time goes on. The root density is to the point that when you look at the substrate, the white roots are more visible underneath the substrate than the substrate itself. Once I flood the 3 gallon, I plan to transfer the shrimp(whichever I can catch) and the otocat from the previous 3 gallon into this one. The tank will also get a pressurized c02 paintball hookup, continued lighting with the Hampton Bay 26 watt clone lamp, and daily dosing of excel, Estimative Index Dosing at 1/4 of the recommended.
06-23-2009 02:26 PM
bradac56
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Originally Posted by Homer_Simpson View Post
Also, much to my surprise one of the anubias rhizomes literally melted. The rhizome was not buried and I have never seen anything like it before. The leaves were all lush green so it was not dieing or anything.

I've seen that happen in one of my tanks and in another persons tank before it is strange. I chalked it up to not getting enough of some micro nutrient since I couldn't come up with a real answer.

Glad to know it's not just me.

- Brad
06-23-2009 01:46 AM
Trallen44
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Originally Posted by oldpunk78 View Post
well... how's it going?
X2 Please
06-22-2009 11:37 PM
oldpunk78
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Originally Posted by Homer_Simpson View Post
next pictorial update will be around June 14 2009.

well... how's it going?
05-03-2009 05:39 AM
Homer_Simpson
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Originally Posted by oldpunk78 View Post
any updates to share with us yet?
I like to provide updates every 3 months which I believe gives the best indication of progress good or bad, so next pictorial update will be around June 14 2009.

I can give a non-pictorial update.

The cardamine lyrata pretty much died and went south. Like vultures, the cherry shrimp feasted on what little there was left. Also, much to my surprise one of the anubias rhizomes literally melted. The rhizome was not buried and I have never seen anything like it before. The leaves were all lush green so it was not dieing or anything. The pygme chain sword, rotala indica and ludwiga repens are growing slowly but still doing well. With the way the pygme chain sword and dwarf sag(which I added later) grew, I know those are two plants I would never use in a 3 gallon nano again. The cherry shrimp continue to reproduce like crazy. Every day I notice new shrimplets. The otocat is healthy and alive and continues to do well. The tank remains 100% algae free.
05-03-2009 05:00 AM
oldpunk78 any updates to share with us yet?
03-15-2009 07:31 PM
Trallen44
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Originally Posted by Homer_Simpson View Post
Thanks. I was comparing the trimmed Ludwiga Repens to the Ludwig Repens growing in my 40 gallon high tech tank(water column dosing of ferts), with all the bells, toys, and whistles. Quite honestly and as near as I can see, there is literally no difference between the both in terms of leave shape, size, and coloration. Although too early to say for sure, Ludwiga Repens looks like a good stem plant for low tech tanks with no c02.
I had it growing good in my 55 at one point, then things went south. But I am going to try again with the new rescape. I hope they do as good as they are in this tank. I think with the few things I am changing they should.
03-15-2009 07:02 PM
Homer_Simpson
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Originally Posted by Trallen44 View Post
Those look great!!
Thanks. I was comparing the trimmed Ludwiga Repens to the Ludwig Repens growing in my 40 gallon high tech tank(water column dosing of ferts), with all the bells, toys, and whistles. Quite honestly and as near as I can see, there is literally no difference between the both in terms of leave shape, size, and coloration. Although too early to say for sure, Ludwiga Repens looks like a good stem plant for low tech tanks with no c02.
03-15-2009 05:57 PM
Trallen44 Those look great!!
03-15-2009 04:40 PM
Homer_Simpson FWIW, here is a picture of some of the trimmed plants. As you can see, they are all healthy and algae free. The sunset hygro is not displaying that characteristic pink leaf coloration, but other than that it grew like a weed in the tank,
03-15-2009 02:05 PM
Homer_Simpson
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Originally Posted by amano101 View Post
that growth is definitely impressive. does java moss hate your water, or are you using RO? the only thing i can think of is there might be some trace mineral/chemical in your water that java moss hates for some reason, but that's all a complete guess.
Thanks. I am using dechlorinated tap water. At first I thought that it must be something in the tap water as well(extremely high phosphate levels), but then this was ruled out when my coworker showed me his tanks where java moss was growing like a weed. We both have tanks with betta fish in them at work, no ferts, same tap water, same food for the bettas. In his tank, the java moss took off and keeps growing, although it is full of diatom algae. In my tank the sample of java moss taken from his tank and placed in thet tank died, disintegrated and began melting in the water,, so I had to remove it to prevent water quailty issues. The only thing that I can think of is possible too high water temperature. My betta bowl at work is close to the fan at the back of my desktop computer and my co-worker's is nowhere near.

In this 3 gallon it is not dieing but not growing much either. It could be a light issue too as the java moss at the left tip of the moss wall at the top seems to have grown quite a bit. We will see what happens after I trim and the allows more light throughout the tank.
03-15-2009 12:11 PM
amano101 that growth is definitely impressive. does java moss hate your water, or are you using RO? the only thing i can think of is there might be some trace mineral/chemical in your water that java moss hates for some reason, but that's all a complete guess.
03-14-2009 08:30 PM
Homer_Simpson
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Originally Posted by oldpunk78 View Post
that's a lot of growth! are you putting anything into the water column? that might explain the lack of growth on the moss wall. does aquasoil leach nutrients into the water or does it stay down in the substrate?
No water column dosing at all. Java moss is one of those plants that just does not do well for me. It has failed to grow in just about every tank where I have tried growing it. It will not grow in my 40 gallon high tech planted tank where I dose Estimative Index. It did not grow in my 15 gallon experimental c02 tank with DIY c02, Aquasoil II, and water column dosing. It does poorly in my 5 gallon low tech hex tank. The funny thing is that riccia grows like a weed in all those tanks, and it is usually more difficult to grow than java moss.

Aquasoil, from what I understand, does leach trace amounts of nutrients into the water, but most of the nutrients remain in the substrate.
03-14-2009 05:29 PM
oldpunk78 that's a lot of growth! are you putting anything into the water column? that might explain the lack of growth on the moss wall. does aquasoil leach nutrients into the water or does it stay down in the substrate?
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