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10-11-2013 12:50 AM
cowfish007
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Originally Posted by Dr Fishbait View Post
Sorry for starting all this trouble about rainbows being so aggressive at feeding. With as many small fish you wanted in addition to rainbows I was concerned that you would end up in the same delima I found myself in. I ended up grossly over feeding my tank to make sure all we're fed. And we all know where the leads.
No trouble and I appreciate the info. I'd rather find out now than have to chase them around with a net because all the other fish are starving.

Since the main focus of this tank is going to be plants/aquascape I've decided not worry about the fish as much.

LL
20 Cardinal Tetras
7 Glass catfish
m/f pair of Blue German rams (if I can find a female anywhere)
5 male guppies
1 Pearl Gouramis
7 Cordys
1 Bristlenose pleco

I may add others later on such as a pair of apistos or Baddis baddis.
10-10-2013 06:39 PM
Dr Fishbait Sorry for starting all this trouble about rainbows being so aggressive at feeding. With as many small fish you wanted in addition to rainbows I was concerned that you would end up in the same delima I found myself in. I ended up grossly over feeding my tank to make sure all we're fed. And we all know where the leads.
10-10-2013 04:43 AM
cowfish007 Rainbows were initially part of my list, but I REALLY want a school of cardinal tetras and, based on what others stated and what I've read, the rainbows would be too much competition during feedings.

I love Discus, but they do limit the types of plants due to the needed temps and I have a certain look I want for the display which includes DHG and cambos.... but the discus are tempting

aaaaghhh!!! Decisions decisions.
10-09-2013 10:59 PM
discuspaul
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Originally Posted by cowfish007 View Post
Thought about discuss, but was concerned that the higher water temp would be too much for some of the other fish and the plants.
I've kept discus for many years - almost always in planted tanks @ 83-84 F and never had any trouble growing plants at that temp - all one needs to do is select those plants that do well in the higher temps - and there's quite a long list of them. Did you have a look at my pic above ? That'll give you some idea of how plants can fare. That tank had been set up for months when I took the pic.
As for other species of fish that are compatible discus tank-mates, many do well at discus temps including all of those I've listed above, as I've kept all of those with discus.
I believe I read mention of your planning to maintain, or were maintaining, temp @ 78-80 - so 83 is not a great deal higher, & perfect for discus.
And for those of you who may think otherwise, discus are hardy fish and not at all difficult to keep. You just need to make sure you're getting quality, healthy stock from a recognized reliable supplier source, and give them a little extra care & attention. What good aquarist doesn't want to do that, to keep their fish healthy & thriving ?

Should you decide to consider giving it a try, cowfish, I for one would be glad to help you out every step of the way.
10-09-2013 10:34 PM
The Dude Discus are without equal, but I think Rainbows are getting seriously overlooked. They are stunning and easier to car for than Discus. They also develop the brilliant Neon orange stripe on their head and along the dorsal fun when they are displaying

10-09-2013 10:20 PM
cowfish007
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Originally Posted by discuspaul View Post
Here's something a little off the wall for you - albeit a significant departure from what you've been planning, but a 75 gal would make a perfect set-up for discus: ( those are Royal Ruby Reds with the Cardinal Tetras btw)
Thought about Discus, but was concerned that the higher water temp would be too much for some of the other fish and the plants.
10-09-2013 08:53 PM
discuspaul Here's something a little off the wall for you - albeit a significant departure from what you've been planning, but a 75 gal would make a perfect set-up for discus: ( those are Royal Ruby Reds with the Cardinal Tetras btw)

This is a 75 gallon tank:
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/...ubyreds010.jpg

As well as Cardinals, you could also keep Glass Catfish, Cories, BNP's, GBR's and Amano shrimp with them - all good tank-mates for discus.
And you can't get a better centerpiece fish than discus, imho.
10-09-2013 04:55 PM
cowfish007 Thank you, everyone, for the feedback.

Fish list round 3

20 cardinal tetras
7 Glass catfish
1 bristlenose plecos
2 German Blue Ram (M/F pair)
1 Pearl Gouramis
1 Apistogramma cacatuoides (Double red)?
3-5 male guppies
6 or 7 Albino Corys
A bunch of amano shrimp and nerite snails.

What do you think about adding some pencilfish or gudgeons to the mix?
10-09-2013 03:04 PM
JustJen
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Originally Posted by cowfish007 View Post
Revised list

15-20 cardinal tetras
7 Glass catfish
5 Bosemani Rainbows
1 bristlenose plecos
1 German Blue Ram
1 Pearl Gouramis
1 Apistogramma cacatuoides (Double red)?
3-5 male guppies?
6 or 7 Albino Corys
A bunch of amano shrimp and nerite snails.

I'm concerned about getting a pair of Apistos, Pearl Gouramis or Rams due to their behavior when mating. I've read that they can become aggressive which is why I went with one instead of a pair. Experiences?
I have 2 pair of gold rams (and they are mated, breeding pairs) in a 46 bow with angels, tetras, plecos, cories, a couple guppies, celebes rainbows, and a plaket betta. They have their territories that they'll keep other fish out of if they have eggs (which pretty much lasts until the lights go out at night, then no more eggs), but otherwise, they're perfectly peaceful with their tankmates and each other. Honestly, my male guppies are bigger bullies in that tank than anyone. I've had gbr's and electric blue rams in that tank in the past (as well as in other tanks) and I've never had any real aggression issues with them. I've been told that rams are "social" fish that do better with a mate, and whether technically true or not, I will say that I have had way better luck with them when I've had a male/female pair in the tank vs. two males, two females, or a single ram.

I would still worry about the pearl gourami a little bit with the rainbows. They occupy the same area of the water column, and the rainbows are fast, aggressive eaters that very well may out compete the gourami.

Also, just a caution - there's a fairly good chance imo that your shrimp are going to get eaten when the rainbows get mid/full sized. I've got them in most of my tanks, but they didn't last long in the 46 mentioned above or my other tank with angels. Would assume a similarly sized rainbow would do the same to them that the angels did.
10-09-2013 10:33 AM
scokaw My male boesemni's are about 5.5".
10-09-2013 02:19 AM
Indychus I think they generally get around 4-5 inches. I have a friend who keeps them, and he has one almost 6 inches, but most of them are smaller, at around 4". Gorgeous fish, I think my next tank will be a rainbow tank.

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10-09-2013 01:58 AM
cowfish007
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Originally Posted by scokaw View Post
The Boesemani should be fine when they're small, but as they approach their adult size of 5"
I was under the impression (based on LiveAquaria) that Boesemani only got to be around 3"?
10-09-2013 01:55 AM
cowfish007 Any alternatives to the Rainbows? I'm looking for a "centerpiece" type fish.
10-09-2013 01:36 AM
The Dude My fish have no problem competing with my Rainbows at feeding time. In fact my Gourami is a total pig and gorges himself at every feeding time
10-09-2013 12:21 AM
scokaw The Boesemani should be fine when they're small, but as they approach their adult size of 5" they will probably out compete the others at feeding. Especially the slower gourami's and guppy's.

The gourami probably won't spawning successfully in your community setting. the others will probably destroy/eat their nest.

The apistos or rams should spawn if you have enough hiding places, but keeping the fry alive might be a challenge. Lots of extra mouths in there.
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