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05-21-2015 05:29 PM
Beefy
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Originally Posted by bpb View Post
Does this plan look decent? What concerns should I have based on my flora and fauna listed above?
As I said in your other thread, I think you should just start with Excel as per the recommendations on the bottle. The one-two is a last resort, and I don't think you have exhausted your other options.
05-21-2015 05:25 PM
FatherLandDescendant
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Originally Posted by bpb View Post
I also do the full strength EI dosing recommendation, dosing both csm+b and kh2po4 and kno3 all together, monday, wednesday, and friday.
CSM+B should be dosed opposite of your kh2po4 and kno3. If you do kno3 and kh2po4 on M,W,F then you's dose CSM+B on T,T,S. Something about one making the other precipitate out.

BBA is attributed to inconsistent CO2 from what I've read. There are lower flow powerheads that you could go with to create current throughout your tank. If you can't address the "why" of the algae problem then it's just going to come back.

Aside from that I did this treatment in my 40b with a BGA issue, lost 2 small tetras in the process is all. I followed the instructions to the letter and everything was fine, your plan sounds good.
05-21-2015 05:01 PM
bpb I read up through page 9, and skipped here to the end. That's alot of reading. Enough to where I'll start forgetting what I read previous. Forgive me if I skipped something and am asking an old-hat question.

I was referred here by someone on my tank journal listed in my sig below. My tank is a 75 gallon medium tech planted. I've been running it for years and years and years, but broken down and rebuilt several times after becoming bored/dissatisfied. The only filter on the tank is an Eheim 2217 which has been in operation now for about 5 years solid, cleaned about once a year or so. Knowing how pitiful flow they have, I'm on the low end at about 150 gph maybe (with the 4 foot head, and spraybar) so I've only got 2x total tank volume turnover. I had previously tried to put a koralia 750 on the tank years ago, and killed several dozen fish who were not adapt to handle those kinds of currents. I'll soon be installing a co2 reactor that will add a little flow to the tank. Considering adding the koralia again, and maybe just cycling it 30 minutes on/30 minutes off all day? Give the fish a chance to recover and build up their swim strength?

Anyhow to the root of the thread. I'm considering the one-two punch treatment. I recnetly tore down the tank and re-did the substrate with brand new floramax and Miracle gro organic choice potting mix, and ditched most of my plants but kept a few. I've replanted alot since then, but most my plants are still young and haven't quite filled out. Shooting for the dense Dutch scape look.

Tank is now at the 3 week old mark, but still using my same filter which is mature and working. I've had BBA off and on for a couple years now, usually just growing on the oldest leaves of my old amazon sword I used to have, and here and there on some of the older dwarf sag leaves. I would typically trim them off every month or so as it was at a pretty stable level.

Ever since redoing the tank, BBA has began to explode. Its starting to cover even the lower 1/2 leaves of the sunset hygro, all over the remaining dwarf sag, all over the crypts, covering the driftwood and filter intakes. It's even starting to form large patches on the back glass/acrylic panel. I've increased my co2 heavily after this rebuild, trying to get a healthy carpet going. Runs an hour before lights on, to an hour before lights off (so about 8 hours a day for 8 hour photoperiod) and turns off via solenoid timer. Drop checker is yellow and bubble count is about 4 bubbles per second.

I also do the full strength EI dosing recommendation, dosing both csm+b and kh2po4 and kno3 all together, monday, wednesday, and friday. 50% water change on a weekend day (whichever is convenient).

Light is coralife 2x54 watt t5ho with GE 6500k bulbs, directly on tank rim, bulbs about a year old

Livestock:

Synodontis Eupterus (featherfin catfish)
3 Otos
several dozen black bar endler/guppies
one tiger barb
one neon tetra
one clown pleco

Plants:

staurogyne repens
pogostemon helferi
hygrophilia thai (brown)
hygrophilia polysperma (sunset)
dwarf sag
crypt wendtii
lobelia cardinalis
bacopa caroliniana
rotala rotundifolia
rotala occultiflora
alternanthera reineckii

Plan: on water change day (kill 2 birds with one stone right?)

Cut eheim filter entirely, put koralia powerhead in tank, at one end, top blowing across, this should essentially create a gyre bringing flow everywhere, but I can move it around if necessary

Dose 2 TBSB per 10 gallons (estimated 60 gallon water volume) = 12 tablespoons

wait 15 minutes

perform 50% water change. This will take about 30 minutes. I may buy a thicker diameter hose to help drain the tank faster. my 1/2" ID hose takes painfully long to drain

Refill tank, leave koralia in, turn eheim filter back on

Dose 30 mL of excel (5mL per 10 gallon). Leave koralia running another 30 minutes or so to ensure even distribution of excel

Does this plan look decent? What concerns should I have based on my flora and fauna listed above?
05-20-2015 03:23 PM
chiefroastbeef Wow, great thread, I had an imbalance in my 60p tank a couple months ago due to getting married and slightly losing interest in my tank. BBA started to grow on some leaves of my anubias, bucephalandra, crypt, bolbitus and driftwood (my tank currently is a low tech, low maintenance, slow growing tank). There isn't a lot of BBA, I'll have to look in specific places to see some, but it's there and they don't seem to be going away. Anyway, it's good to know there is a working solution to combat BBA should I decide to totally get rid of it.

I currently have 40+ fire red cherry shrimp, along with small tetras and some rasboras and pygmy cories. If I decide to do this down the road, I'll make a trap and get as many shrimp and fish as I can out of the tank before I nuke it.

Good luck to you guys, and thank you for sharing your experiences! BBA is the slithering serpent of planted tanks...
05-18-2015 02:59 PM
Witticaster Reporting in: I have a 46 gallon bowfront that was absolutely riddled with BBA and I was at my wits end, so I tried this treatment last Thursday. Removed the filter media from my Aquaclear 50 and Aquaclear 70 and set them aside in a bucket of tank water, then did a 15 minute H2O2 treatment as recommended followed by the 5mg per 10 gallons of Excel. It took a while to drain out the H2O2 and complete the water change, but none of my fish (four goldfish, a BN pleco, and several otocinclus) seemed distressed aside from the customary darting around that the otos do whenever water changes happen. My nerite snail made a beeline for the top of the tank, but settled down soon afterwards.

There wasn't a whole lot of change on Friday aside from possibly a slight red tinge to some of the algae. Checked my water parameters and my cycle was intact. After that, I had to go away for the weekend, so I blacked out the tank on Saturday and Sunday for good measure.

I came back today on Monday, and ALL the algae is gone except for a few red-tinged strands on my Anubias! Even the gunk in my HOB intake tubes is gone! All my fish are alive and looking healthy, and my plants have thrown dozens of new leaves now that they can breathe. Thank you so much for writing out such an effective and easy-to-understand guide--it was a lifesaver.
04-30-2015 04:35 AM
Xirxes
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I just did this treatment without the EXCEL because i couldnt find any locally but i did the H2O2 treatment.



My tank is not VERY redish pink. I dont know if this is the bacteria dying off or the algea. I had very little hair algae but it did nuke the Black algae quite nice and see a noticable difference. Ill see how it goes for the next couple days and do a water change in two days.



Im prepping a 75g build with pictures and use this tank to grow some initial plants for my 75g while i look for rock and Driftwood to fit my setup.

Read my post. Red happens. I think it's iron oxidizing. It clears within 3-4 days.
04-30-2015 01:28 AM
Plantme I just did this treatment without the EXCEL because i couldnt find any locally but i did the H2O2 treatment.

My tank is not VERY redish pink. I dont know if this is the bacteria dying off or the algea. I had very little hair algae but it did nuke the Black algae quite nice and see a noticable difference. Ill see how it goes for the next couple days and do a water change in two days.

Im prepping a 75g build with pictures and use this tank to grow some initial plants for my 75g while i look for rock and Driftwood to fit my setup.
04-28-2015 06:53 AM
dzega ive lost one otto and few cherry shrimps with this treatment. 3ml/gal h2o2 suggested here is way too much for shrimp tank. safe dose is considered being 1ml/gal
04-28-2015 12:31 AM
Pi Guy Has anyone lost any cories to this treatment? If so, what dose did you use?
04-24-2015 03:38 AM
Xirxes Results day 3:

Tank looks super crisp, all algae has lightened, but not been removed.

Lost three small schooling fish, cannot say when, but the rest of the tank is recycling 2 rummy nose tetras and one Cardinal tetra.

I haven't had any fish die in over a year, so I know for sure it was this treatment. Perhaps a slightly lower dose next go round.

Will keep updating over next week.
04-22-2015 11:26 AM
andyl9063
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Originally Posted by Xirxes View Post
I just performed this treatment. And I have strange results.

I have 240 gallons. I drained 80 gallons or so, and accounted for 60-70 gallons worth of substrate, plants and wood.

Turned off filter, closed filter lines.
I put in large aeration and added 300ml (30ml/10 gal for 100 remaining gallons) peroxide.

I let this broil for 15 minutes, then added 3/4 just drained tank water, 1/4 new DI water back in to fill.

Added 100ml flourish Excel and kept aerators going.

All fish seem fine other than the stress of the broiling bubbles... HOWEVER....

My water column is turning pinky RED! I have seen something similar before and I have two theories:

1) I nuked the bacteria in the display tank, and they are turning red as they die

2) I oxidized all of my chelated iron and the water is showing the metallic color of iron (more likely)

If anyone has experienced RED WATER before, please give me some references thanks.

Here are some pics, I will update with progress.
I did this with my 220g yesterday. That's normal, but its a cloud grey color of the water. You'll see a lot of dissolved bubbles.
04-22-2015 03:47 AM
Xirxes
The "One-Two Punch" Whole Tank Algae Treatment

I just performed this treatment. And I have strange results.

I have 240 gallons. I drained 80 gallons or so, and accounted for 60-70 gallons worth of substrate, plants and wood.

Turned off filter, closed filter lines.
I put in large aeration and added 300ml (30ml/10 gal for 100 remaining gallons) peroxide.

I let this broil for 15 minutes, then added 3/4 just drained tank water, 1/4 new DI water back in to fill.

Added 100ml flourish Excel and kept aerators going.

All fish seem fine other than the stress of the broiling bubbles... HOWEVER....

My water column is turning pinky RED! I have seen something similar before and I have two theories:

1) I nuked the bacteria in the display tank, and they are turning red as they die

2) I oxidized all of my chelated iron and the water is showing the metallic color of iron (more likely)

If anyone has experienced RED WATER before, please give me some references thanks.

Here are some pics, I will update with progress.

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04-04-2015 03:01 AM
Kntry I just finished doing the treatment again.

This time, I used 8 Tbls. in 5 gallons for an hour, after taking out the Betta and my moss wall which does not have any algae. (it's new)

I'll post what it looks like tomorrow.

Thanks
04-04-2015 02:08 AM
anastasisariel Results are seen within 24 hours in most cases. BTW, DarkCobra hasnt' been active for a while.
04-03-2015 11:54 PM
Kntry How long does it usually take to see results?

Wednesday night, I took the Betta out, turned off the filtration and put 4 tbls in 5 gallons with tons of air. I let it sit 15 minutes, did about 90% water change and added Excel.

The hair algae looks a little lighter but nothing outstanding and the BBA is still on the glass.

Should I do another treatment tonight?
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