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10-04-2013 02:44 PM
Veneer
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Originally Posted by Soothing Shrimp View Post
I think the list compiled in the first post applies to the ones people often keep in the aquarium hobby. "...a list of many of the crustaceans we keep."
The thing is, it's just bizarre to list things as obscure or rare as Parartemia zietziana or Micratya poeyi (which are essentially not in the hobby at all) and omit much more common animals (only two species of Cherax?). If the cutoff is having been kept in an aquarium by someone, somewhere, then I personally can add a lot more to this list, but I really don't see the point in having it if it lacks basic descriptions, photos, or care information.

This list is a mishmash of names, some of them one-off imports by Aquarium Glaser or other European suppliers that never showed up in the U.S. (and aren't exactly often kept in Germany either) that's just plain inaccurate or misleading at many levels. Glancing through it, Triops are not decapods, let alone shrimp (I don't get how they were binned as "dwarf shrimp" when they even went to the trouble of making the Branchiopoda category where they would actually belong – this is worse than having a list of "aquatic frogs" that also lists "Portuguese Water Dog") … Macrobrachium dayanum, another "dwarf shrimp", is neither related to the small algae-eating atyids nor particularly small or similar in behavior.

I'm sure that the people who compiled and updated this list were well-meaning, but it's clear that people would benefit more from something closer to actual species profiles. You can find some fine ones at the Petshrimp.com descriptions page or, if you're interested in browsing through a broader range of species, wirbellose.de … another kind of random conglomeration, with some inaccuracies … but at least showing photos and some amount of description (in German – Google Translate should do an okay job).

Crusta10.de used to have a nice gallery of species, but the site stopped being maintained and it appears that the domain expired.
10-04-2013 04:50 AM
Kat12 I've submitted a plant profile but it needs approved and not posted yet and no message why so assuming no one is actually manning approving?
10-04-2013 03:29 AM
ravensgate I completely agree with you. Maybe one day that will happen on here. Of course, just looking at it, at the top left it says 'add a profile to our gallery' so maybe someone will do just that. I'd love to have one place for all of my shrimp info, sadly that's just not the case currently.
10-04-2013 03:19 AM
Kat12 Just saying if mods/admins approved profiles people submit, and more people added profiles for ones they keep that are missing it could become a great resource. People are able to comment on each profile so updates could be added there. Members are also allowed to add their photos even if they don't write the profile.
10-04-2013 02:46 AM
ravensgate I know about that existing. You are saying all the profiles should go there instead of a thread right? That would require someone who wanted to stay on top of that and add photos, stay on top of every name change, etc. And honestly, I use other sites for that. I think I looked at that shrimp profiles page twice since I've been here. I send people to www.shrimpery.com, planetinverts, etc. Heck the info on those sites is good and still could use updating and changing.

I'm with you, I'd rather have a page listing the species, requirements, photos etc than a thread but unless someone is just jumping on getting that data up, asking however many folks for permission to use their photos, etc, then I doubt that will get tackled anytime soon. Look at post #32. Of course, I'm sure if you wanted to take on such a project you could have a chat with the mods and hop right on that Even with just popular species aquarists keep that list would still be pretty long.
10-04-2013 02:14 AM
Kat12
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Originally Posted by ravensgate View Post
Yeah, oops I meant a 'subforum'.

Your posts are rather confusing for some reason but I think I understand now. You're talking that like the fish profiles there should be a shrimp profiles section, not species listed out in a thread. Right? Or am I misunderstanding? Apparently others are confused by what you are trying to say as well because I'm reading your posts how they are, it would seem.

The problem is, which has already been touched on, is the constant change in species names, etc. You would have to have someone who would want to be in charge of staying on top of such. Also, I wouldn't trust just anybody to 'add' anything in a profiles list. good way to get a bunch of bad/incorrect info right there.
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/my...=Invertebrates
10-04-2013 02:07 AM
ravensgate
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Originally Posted by Kat12 View Post
actually not A SHRIMP forum. I was saying it would HELP more people if people would ADD profiles so they are in that easy to search location on this FORUM since the amount of profiles is very lacking.

Yeah, oops I meant a 'subforum'.

Your posts are rather confusing for some reason but I think I understand now. You're talking that like the fish profiles there should be a shrimp profiles section, not species listed out in a thread. Right? Or am I misunderstanding? Apparently others are confused by what you are trying to say as well because I'm reading your posts how they are, it would seem.

The problem is, which has already been touched on, is the constant change in species names, etc. You would have to have someone who would want to be in charge of staying on top of such. Also, I wouldn't trust just anybody to 'add' anything in a profiles list. good way to get a bunch of bad/incorrect info right there.
10-04-2013 02:00 AM
Kat12
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Originally Posted by ravensgate View Post
Outside of whatever is listed in the fish profiles which is probably just an error and has nothing to do with this thread nor its original poster, you DO realize you are in the SHRIMP forum right now complaining about a thread on shrimp species, right???

actually not A SHRIMP forum. I was saying it would HELP more people if people would ADD profiles so they are in that easy to search location on this FORUM since the amount of profiles is very lacking.
10-04-2013 01:45 AM
ravensgate
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Originally Posted by Kat12 View Post
There are a total of 21 invertebrates profiles in the fish profiles on this site, a whole lot more than that are listed in the beginning of this post.

Outside of whatever is listed in the fish profiles which is probably just an error and has nothing to do with this thread nor its original poster, you DO realize you are in the SHRIMP forum right now complaining about a thread on shrimp species, right???
10-04-2013 12:25 AM
Soothing Shrimp
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Originally Posted by Kat12 View Post
There are a total of 21 invertebrates profiles in the fish profiles on this site, a whole lot more than that are listed in the beginning of this post.
huh? Maybe I'm misunderstanding? 21 inverts listed in the fish profiles, and 109 inverts listed in the first post in this thread. And the fish profiles have more?
10-03-2013 10:08 PM
Kat12
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Originally Posted by MABJ View Post
I mean I'm pretty sure this is in invertebrates, no? I don't know a heck of a lot about fish lol.
There are a total of 21 invertebrates profiles in the fish profiles on this site, a whole lot more than that are listed in the beginning of this post.
10-03-2013 03:15 PM
Soothing Shrimp Vaneer, that is some great information you posted!

I think the list compiled in the first post applies to the ones people often keep in the aquarium hobby. "...a list of many of the crustaceans we keep."
10-03-2013 01:19 PM
Veneer I know you didn't compile it, but I'm not sure how helpful a list like this is, especially when it (A) lists rarely available species that are all but nonexistent in the aquarium trade like Micratya poeyi (not once imported to the U.S. for sale as far as I know) alongside hobby standards, (B) intermingles color variants and taxonomically doubtful or meaningless trade names like Neritina sp. ("tribal nerite snail") with actual species or even entire genera or families, and (C) doesn't have descriptions or photos.

I mean, at the point that you name Macrobrachium faustinum, you might as well list all of the 250+ species of Macrobrachium. Lots of issues with the categories, too … Triops are branchiopods … "Marble Crayfish" is a wholly arbitrary division and a strange repurposing of a common species name … you get the picture.

It wouldn't be constructive for me to go on in this vein, so – focusing just on the shrimp – I'm including some species lists (provisional and probably incomplete, but with some taxonomic revision histories) for some of the more popular genera:

Family Atyidae (full list of genera here)
Superfamily Palaemonoidea:

Family Palaemonidae sampler (going to spare you all and not get into Pseudopalaemon and so on … and I think you can find Palaemon on your own – but you should realize that most of those aren't freshwater, strictly speaking)
Family Euryrhynchidae (only one genus really gets into the aquarium trade)
Family Desmocarididae
Realize those are species – not color morphs (which are just subsets, whether selectively bred lines or more natural divisions, of species). The diversity of these groups is astounding – probably much vaster than many posters here might have imagined – and (while a fair number might have at least shown up for sale somewhere at some point) the great majority of these species have never been established in the aquarium trade.

Some excerpts from a good review ("Global diversity of shrimps (Crustacea: Decapoda: Caridea) in freshwater") by Grave & Anker (2008), which I can share with you in full off-site if you PM me with your email:

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A total of 655 freshwater species (just over a quarter of all described carideans ) are presently known.

Freshwater species of carideans belong to eight families/subfamilies, numerically dominated by the Atyidae, with 359 species/subspecies (Table 1). Although this family is considered in many textbooks as restricted to freshwater habitats, some anchialine genera are known (e.g. Antecaridina, Halocaridina, Typhlatya), whilst juveniles of Atya have been found under fully marine conditions in Atlantic waters.

Although the most speciose genus Caridina occurs in six biogeographic regions, many genera and species are either only known from their type locality or have a narrow geographical distribution (e.g. Lancaris is restricted to Sri Lanka, see Cai & Bahir, 2005). Some species are morphologically adapted to live in fastflowing water, such as the Caribbean Atya scabra (Leach), which lives beneath rocks under waterfalls and in rapids, whilst other species, such as many Caridina species are adapted to lakeshore weed beds, usually displaying a more gracile habitus. Cave dwelling taxa are well represented with many exclusively stygobiont genera. Of particular ecological interest are the only two freshwater commensal species (a widespread mode of life in marine shrimp species): Limnocaridina iridinae Roth-Woltereck from the mantle cavity of a unionid clam from Lake Tanganyika (Roth-Woltereck, 1958) and a Caridina species from Lake Towuti in Sulawesi living with freshwater sponges (Cai, pers. obs.).

The second most speciose family is the Palaemonidae (Table 1), with many more marine and brackish water species known than there are freshwater taxa, all of the latter being restricted to the subfamily Palaemoninae. The numerically dominant genus is Macrobrachium, restricted to fresh and brackish water […]. Other species-rich genera are Palaemonetes, a taxonomically poorly defined world-wide genus, and Palaemon. Some species of Palaemonetes are exclusively freshwater, such as the North American Palaemonetes kadakiensis Rathbun, but several estuarine species can tolerate fully freshwater conditions. Several species of Palaemon have also been recorded from marine, brackish and freshwater environments, e.g. Palaemon concinnus Dana (see Marquet, 1991).

It is difficult to estimate the true species richness of freshwater shrimps, as every year new taxa continue to be described, mainly in the two most numerically dominant genera, Caridina and Macrobrachium. As a result, species discovery curves are not flattening out (Fig. 2), and it can be expected that many more species await discovery. New genera also continue to be erected, for instance for morphologically disparate species previously placed in Caridina (e.g. the genera Lancaris, Sinodina, Paracaridina). Genetic studies have only recently started in freshwater shrimps, with for instance the work of Baker et al. (2004) highlighting the presence of several cryptic lineages in Australian Paratya, some of which may well represent true species.



10-03-2013 04:30 AM
MABJ I mean I'm pretty sure this is in invertebrates, no? I don't know a heck of a lot about fish lol.
10-03-2013 04:29 AM
Kat12 I'd rather have fish profiles added to the website than just a list in a thread. Not sure if anyone is still in charge of approving those though since new profiles are not coming up but that seems it would be the most helpful way to find the info.
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