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02-11-2013 10:19 PM
@marko@ if its in the powdered form it can last 2 years i believe. but if you made it into a solution, its garbage.
02-11-2013 10:15 PM
marko d Yea, ick I'm not too worried about. My issue with levamisol is that all fish were fine through the first round. Second round though lost 6/9. Granted they were neon tetras and a killi, but weird they were quite fine with the initial dose. Treated the same way both times.

I have some left over as I'm only running 20 gallons. Been in the fridge since November...think it's still good? Skeptical but would be way more convenient.


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02-11-2013 10:07 PM
@marko@ BrotherEppY: cant really help you. enlarged abdomen could just be them getting fatter, or it could be distension as their gut balloons from parasites multiplying.

marko d: good luck with your rams. ich is easy. up the temps, and use some malachite green and a touch of salt (not too much though, rams from what ive read dont like it). that clear stringy feces is no good. saw it on another youtube video of fish with camallanus (which is how i think it is spelled), and in my fish. maybe use some levamisole? its supposed to not be too harsh of a med, and some of the people i spoke to chalked up losses to the fish being pretty sick already when the med was used.
02-11-2013 09:21 PM
marko d Picked up two of these on Saturday. Hopefully male and female. Got them chilling in not really a q/t but the tank they go in before they go into my fave tank.

One has ick, and I've seen the clear, stringy poo on it. Really hoping it's just initial stress and not something more serious. Also, is it callamanus worms, or camallanus worms? I've seen both used. Whatever they are I dealt with them in October of last year and that is the reason why I'm buying new fish. 6/8 died in treatment, w/ levamisol. Really don't want to deal with it again. In a quarantine or not.

Good luck, @marko@
02-11-2013 08:54 PM
BrotherEppY today i finally got enough equipment to have a full ten gallon setup for quarantine. but not sure how it will be because the hob filter is really noisy.

but im learning
02-11-2013 08:37 PM
wkndracer
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Originally Posted by BrotherEppY View Post
I dont mean to high jack your post.
haha I do,,,, a proper entry quarantine protocol is a WONDERFUL thing.
(hint - it ain't just just 2wks either)
02-11-2013 08:31 PM
BrotherEppY I dont mean to high jack your post.
02-11-2013 08:30 PM
BrotherEppY After reading this thread im starting to question te health of my new German Blue Rams. A little over 3 weeks ago i bought 2 GBR from the lfs. since then my cardinals have had a massive ick out break and i thought that was my only issue, but ive been noticing that my rams stomachs have been getting bigger and bigger. there color and fin health have improved dramatically since i got them, but now my whole tank is starting to come under problem.

my set up is a 37gl tall
magnum hot canister filter and a aquatec 30-60 hob filter
using Miricale grow organics choice potting soil with a play sand cap.
2 t5ho glo fixture with pretty old bulbs. hung about 5in over tank

5 cardinals
6 rummy nose
2 German Blue Rams
2 albino Bristol nose plecos
2 ottos

heavily planted with
Wisteria
Long hair grass
crypts
valisintha?
rotala
and a couple other plants i cant remember the names of.

I use excel.

Any advice? ill toss some pics up when my phone charges.
02-11-2013 06:52 PM
@marko@ got the diagnosis right. saw a worm hanging out just now.
02-11-2013 03:52 PM
msawdey
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Originally Posted by @marko@ View Post
was told that the clear poop is an decent indicator of the worm. so im going wit hthat.
well i just dumped levamisole into my water after a large water change. if this fixes the problem ill treat my bettas with levamisole too, since initially i wasnt being too careful with tools and stuff, and could have transferred some eggs. and im not too worried about about the med hurting the bettas, they are troopers.
will keep this thread update with how things go.
ya,definitely curious how it all turns out for you.

On a bright note for my callamanus issues, they appear to be gone and everyone looks really healthy right now after the lev treatment. I have to treat again this weekend to make sure the worms are completely killed off.
02-11-2013 03:32 PM
@marko@ was told that the clear poop is an decent indicator of the worm. so im going wit hthat.
well i just dumped levamisole into my water after a large water change. if this fixes the problem ill treat my bettas with levamisole too, since initially i wasnt being too careful with tools and stuff, and could have transferred some eggs. and im not too worried about about the med hurting the bettas, they are troopers.
will keep this thread update with how things go.
02-08-2013 04:16 PM
fishwater After I brought home my Rams, I noticed the same thing with my female, although she had a healthy appetite. My GBR's showed some pre-spawning behaviour, their color was super vivid, and they were even preparing a slate rock for spawning. This was about the second day after I brought them home needless to say I was pretty amped. It was then I noticed her distended anus and became worried, (although I have noticed the same thing with female trout around their spawning time) she did have normal looking feces, after googling images of GBR's I noticed it (distended anus) on more and more females of Breeeding pairs so I wrote it off as some sort of spawing adaptation. She is still healthy and happy now. On a side note... around day 6 of having the GBRs in my tank I noticed a small white spot on the males fin...ICH! (I couldn't quarantine...chastise me if you want but sometimes it is not an option) at anyrate I raised my temps and started to treat with salt and that seemed to throw them off the spawn. Now I can't seem to shake this Ich, it seems as though 1 of my hatchet fish always has 1 and 1 mean just 1 spot on its caudal fin..but that is for a different thread . Good Luck with your Ram and hopefully with time, patience & luck she'll return to normal behavior.
02-08-2013 03:54 PM
msawdey
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Originally Posted by wkndracer View Post
I feel for you dealing with sick fish.

Flubendazole, levaisole hcl and metronidazole all can be dosed via the water column and work well treating parasites, often much better than food based fenbendazole treatments. Flubendazole and levaisole hcl are both used here during entry quarantine and annually to prevent trouble in my systems. Combined the treatments eliminate the vast majority parasite problems. While any medication should be used with caution healthy animals rarely react badly. I think we need to realize fish are usually chronic before you see secondary symptoms. Losses here have been largest during the first dosing.

Most of the time treating sick fish is based on guesswork then broad spectrum 'sledgehammer' treatments are the only choice for most and reading this thread it's no different, not really sure. Once fish are showing external symptoms internal damage is serious. Losses can easily be those fish we 'see' as healthy that in reality are not.
couldnt agree more
02-08-2013 12:39 PM
@marko@ Well someone I know who keeps a bunch of rams told me that mine look ok. That when they are in trouble they will not maintain colors as vivid as mine and to wait before treating with anything else. I feel like that is good advice and will follow it.

In regards to the levamisole side effects I was researching it. In humans the majority of side effects are caused by the evacuation of the parasites not by the med directly. So organisms with heavier parasitic loads will be hit harder.
But I will be dosing nothing in the tank and just observing dor a few days.
02-07-2013 09:19 PM
wkndracer I feel for you dealing with sick fish.

Flubendazole, levaisole hcl and metronidazole all can be dosed via the water column and work well treating parasites, often much better than food based fenbendazole treatments. Flubendazole and levaisole hcl are both used here during entry quarantine and annually to prevent trouble in my systems. Combined the treatments eliminate the vast majority parasite problems. While any medication should be used with caution healthy animals rarely react badly. I think we need to realize fish are usually chronic before you see secondary symptoms. Losses here have been largest during the first dosing.

Most of the time treating sick fish is based on guesswork then broad spectrum 'sledgehammer' treatments are the only choice for most and reading this thread it's no different, not really sure. Once fish are showing external symptoms internal damage is serious. Losses can easily be those fish we 'see' as healthy that in reality are not.
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