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Today 04:45 AM
thelub I have a pretty heavy plant mass and while it may be only 4ish months old it by all appearances is fairly well established. I don't have any chemical filtration just lava rock in a Fluval 404. I have a pretty good carpet of dwarf sag going as well as a big sword, crypts and a few fast growing stem plants. So far the BBA seems unaffected which is extra frustrating since I had such heavy fish loss with nothing to show for it. Guess my next step is to get back to the drawing board as well as getting some SAE to munch on it.
Today 12:20 AM
tetra73
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Originally Posted by thelub View Post
You're right. Somehow I calculated 5ml/g instead of 10g.

So far the death toll is a BNP, zebra oto, rumy nose, paleatus cory and a handful of ramshorn snails. The kribs and apistos seem to be doing OK. I'm sure the excel pushed them over the edge, but the H2O2 started it. They all were acting weird before the excel was added.

My procedure.

1: add all 4 powerheads I had laying around to the aquarium
2: H2O2 dose (about 340ml)
3: after 15 min start 50% water change. I think this is part of what did them in because doing a 50% water change on an 80g aquarium takes a while. In hindsight I probably should have added the new water in via dumping it in instead of my usual method of pumping it in via pond pump. This would have added extra turbulence to the water when filling back up.

4: add (overdose) of excel.

My tank now stinks like a pond. I'm going to do another 50% change this morning as soon as I can break away from work and get back to the house.

The angels seem to be less affected than any other inhabitant. Gold ram seems a little lethargic, but no overly stressed. One bolivian ram almost kicked the bucket but I moved it to another tank and its recovering. Kribs were doing pretty poorly as well but seem to be on the mend.

Sorry to hear to that...

Well, I think for a newer tank with less organic load, 2 tlbsp per 10g can still be too much. My dirt tank has been running for over 8 months and I don't use any chemical filtration. Pretty heavy on the plant mass, the entire substrate is covered with DHG. Most of my hardscapes are partially buried into the substrate. Most of my plants haven't grown tall yet. I have over 40 fish in my 40b. Just did another 10.5 tblsp (3+tblsp per 10g) treatment with a new bottle of H2o2. Everything is fine. I begin to see some BBAs are turning white or partially white. And whatever hair or emergent BBAs on the plant leaves are not there anymore.
Yesterday 05:06 PM
thelub You're right. Somehow I calculated 5ml/g instead of 10g.

So far the death toll is a BNP, zebra oto, rumy nose, paleatus cory and a handful of ramshorn snails. The kribs and apistos seem to be doing OK. I'm sure the excel pushed them over the edge, but the H2O2 started it. They all were acting weird before the excel was added.

My procedure.

1: add all 4 powerheads I had laying around to the aquarium
2: H2O2 dose (about 340ml)
3: after 15 min start 50% water change. I think this is part of what did them in because doing a 50% water change on an 80g aquarium takes a while. In hindsight I probably should have added the new water in via dumping it in instead of my usual method of pumping it in via pond pump. This would have added extra turbulence to the water when filling back up.

4: add (overdose) of excel.

My tank now stinks like a pond. I'm going to do another 50% change this morning as soon as I can break away from work and get back to the house.

The angels seem to be less affected than any other inhabitant. Gold ram seems a little lethargic, but no overly stressed. One bolivian ram almost kicked the bucket but I moved it to another tank and its recovering. Kribs were doing pretty poorly as well but seem to be on the mend.
Yesterday 03:54 PM
tetra73
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Originally Posted by thelub View Post
Just did this procedure on my 80g. 360ml of H2O2 (2 Tbsp per 10g). 50% water change and then ~150ml of excel (light I know, but I didn't want to use my whole bottle at once).

The kribs, hongsloi apistos, zebra otos and BNP aren't happy, but I think they'll survive (I hope! Those are expensive fish). I'll be interested to see how it affects my BBA problem (its pretty severe).

You are supposed to dose the regular initial excel dosage, which is 5ml per 10g. You should have dosed 40ml of excel, not 150ml.
Yesterday 06:57 AM
thelub Just did this procedure on my 80g. 360ml of H2O2 (2 Tbsp per 10g). 50% water change and then ~150ml of excel (light I know, but I didn't want to use my whole bottle at once).

The kribs, hongsloi apistos, zebra otos and BNP aren't happy, but I think they'll survive (I hope! Those are expensive fish). I'll be interested to see how it affects my BBA problem (its pretty severe).
04-21-2014 09:47 PM
tetra73 I want to add a bit here. Last week, I did 2 treatments one day after since I do 2 60% WC per week. The first treatment I went it light with less than 2 tbsp per 10g of H2o2. 6 tblsp for 35 gallon of water. Followed by 17ml of excel. A day later, did another treatment using 8 tblsp and followed by 17ml of excel. Didn't do another treatment until 5 days later, today. The result from the first 2 treatments didn't really cause any noticeable death of my BBA. However, my DHG has gotten cleaner and no diatom buildup. The leaves surface has gotten cleaner looking. It appears the first 2 treatments did break down some of the mums in my tank. No live stocks were lost.

Today, I did another treatment to find out what is my safe and effective dosage. I used instead 10 tblsp, roughly about 3 tblsp per 10g of H2o2. Immediately I poured it into the aquarium water, the plants were pearling immediately. Yet, the fish seems fine. No erratic behaviors. I waited for 15 minutes before siphoning out the water. By the time I pumped back the new water into the tank, it has already been 20 minutes. Let's hope in few days I would see my BBA on my harscapes to turn white or pink.

I think I would do one H2o2 treatment once a week during my WC as a preventive treatment. As ways to reduce and breakdown the mums in my tank.

I think people should start first with a lighter dosage and to work your way up in order to avoid killing your live stocks.
04-20-2014 04:52 PM
Diana Follow up to my post of 4-4-14:
In some tanks the blanket weed is dead and gone. Really clean tanks!
In others there seems to have been little to no benefit.

The difference seems to be the circulation.
In the tanks with the best results (dead algae) the planting was rather light, so the added power head really ramped up the water movement.
In the tanks with the worst results (algae is still alive) the plants or algae were so dense that the power head did not create so great water movement.

The death of plants was spotty.
In one tank I lost all the guppy grass, but the duckweed survived. Blanket weed is gone.
In another tank the guppy grass and Valisneria are fine. Blanket weed sort of died in some areas but not really all over. (I attribute this to poor circulation).
In all tanks with Valisneria it is fine. The high dose of Excel following the weakening by H2O2 seems not to have bothered it very much. Some leaves are a bit burned looking, but over 90% of the plants have come through pretty good. An odd dead leaf here and there might not even be from the treatment.

Livestock: Pond snails, tadpoles have shown up now that the tanks are clear enough to see into.
04-20-2014 07:30 AM
Aurie I just did the 1 2 punch on my mini M with 3 tablespoons of h2o2 and the full dose of excel for the water amount I have. I have NO livestock in this aquarium and it's only 2 weeks old. I have some green thread/hair algae growing. It's long and flowing and some pieces are very skinny, like one of my own hairs got in there (that's mainly on the eco complete) .. I don't know where it came from. Either from the Eco, or the plants I got. the driftwood and rocks have been dry for at least 6 months.

2 hours after doing the blast, everything was super pearling. Way more than a regular water change would do. Anyone have experience with this kind of algae and this method? Did it work?

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04-18-2014 09:35 PM
Ach1Ll3sH33L
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Originally Posted by DefStatic View Post
I am losing or at a stalemate with my BBA outbreak, caused by not getting a decent water change for 3 weeks.

The substrate is pretty clean, I pulled all rocks and driftwood and cleaned them in a peroxide solution. The driftwood looks better, although I couldn't let it sit out for a couple days like I would have liked. Maybe when it gets warmer I will have a chance to if the algae bounces back.

My biggest problem is the existing plants. I do not want to trim off too much, and can't wait for new growth to replant. Not really sure if I should try this ,I have cardinals, ottos, a cory, some guppies and some scissortail rasboras.

Maybe I should just try the Excel part? I am now doing 3 gallon water changes 3 times a week. Should I up that too? Been doing that for about a month now.
How big is the tank? frequent water changes may be causing your bba issues, especially if its during the light cycle, as this will cause a fluctuation in co2 levels. I would do once a week water change after lights out, or before co2 comes on. do a double dose of excel for a few weeks(some use triple dose), and this should kill the bba....however if we dont fix the root cause the bba then it will continue to spread or likely come back.
04-17-2014 04:24 PM
DefStatic I am losing or at a stalemate with my BBA outbreak, caused by not getting a decent water change for 3 weeks.

The substrate is pretty clean, I pulled all rocks and driftwood and cleaned them in a peroxide solution. The driftwood looks better, although I couldn't let it sit out for a couple days like I would have liked. Maybe when it gets warmer I will have a chance to if the algae bounces back.

My biggest problem is the existing plants. I do not want to trim off too much, and can't wait for new growth to replant. Not really sure if I should try this ,I have cardinals, ottos, a cory, some guppies and some scissortail rasboras.

Maybe I should just try the Excel part? I am now doing 3 gallon water changes 3 times a week. Should I up that too? Been doing that for about a month now.
04-16-2014 09:23 AM
Shremph
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Originally Posted by Aurie View Post
I hope to try this with my brand new tank I just set up. Some of the plants I got have some green hair algae in it and I'd rather do this method in the beginning before ripping out any more plants. Every time I look into the tank I have more and more little green fuzz balls popping up. I keep removing the parts of the plants that are effected and I'm done! I don't have any live stock yet so I'm about to nuke it .. Wish me luck!
Good luck!

:This isn't a suggestion, just commenting on what I did:

Just nuked my two week old tank. No livestock and I went with 50ml of peroxide for a 20g long. Left the peroxide in with no water change. Used 10ml excel and a double dose of Algaefix. Three days later I did a water change (70%) and my algae is either gone or pink. Co2 was my problem and I fixed that before punching. I only have Blyxa, S. Reps, and Downoi which are all tough plants in my experience and was why I chose to go overboard on my dosing.
04-16-2014 08:56 AM
Aurie I hope to try this with my brand new tank I just set up. Some of the plants I got have some green hair algae in it and I'd rather do this method in the beginning before ripping out any more plants. Every time I look into the tank I have more and more little green fuzz balls popping up. I keep removing the parts of the plants that are effected and I'm done! I don't have any live stock yet so I'm about to nuke it .. Wish me luck!
04-14-2014 11:28 PM
tetra73 I just did the 1 to 2 punch treatment. I have a 40g with maybe 35g of water. The plant load is moderate. I mainly have BBA on the DHG trimming (close to the substrate) and on my driftwoods which I can't remove them from the tank. I have a dirt tank too. Previously, my light was on the high side since there were few plants I wanted them to get redder. Now, the lighting is medium.

I read the entire thread and was alarmed with the deaths of some livestocks especially with otos and cory cats. I have 5 otos and 3 cory cats. So, I decided to be a bit on the cautious side using 2 tblsp per 10g H2O2 dosage. About 6 tblsp to a 35g of water. I took out my biological filters and totally running my XP Medium filter empty. After 5 minutes, I began to see some pearling. By 10 minutes, my fish seemed fine. No erratic behaviors. Since I am using buckets to change my water, I decided to start ending my treatment around 11 minutes. By the time I siphoned out 2 buckets, 11g of water, I am already at the 15 minutes mark. BTW, I was still keeping my filter running throughout the entire time and until new water have been added. After the 2 buckets, I pumped back in some new water. And siphoned out another 7g of water and adding back another 7g of new water.

So far, everything is fine. The fish didn't behave any more differently. I just added 17ml of excel. The lights are off now and I can see the plants are still pearling.

The worst case is that my dosage maybe too weak (given with my bioload and plant mass) to have caused any damage to the algae. Maybe I can try 7 or 8 tlbsp of H202 next time.

Forgot to add that before the beginning of the treatment, I trimmed off some leaves and cleaned off some GSA on the side of the tank. This may also increase the organic load of the tank.
04-07-2014 06:56 PM
sicklidcrazy Hi everyone. I recently took over a planted tank that my buddy started but he let it go. He moved out and now I am trying to learn and take it over. It had a bit of an algae problem. Hair, dark green spots, and this short black bushy algae.
It's a 72 gallon bowfront. I shorted the dosage. Like enough h2o2 for 55gallons. Most algae turned red, but not the black bushy stuff. I don't know much about the types of plants or the algae, I'm an African cichlid guy.
But it worked just need to up my dosage and try again.
04-05-2014 04:34 AM
Subtletanks91 No change in the spyrogyra algae, and two shrimp dead today. But I'm suspecting molting issues which I'll be doing a water change with pure ro tomorrow. Manually removing what I can I guess for a while until the tank sorts itself out
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