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01-22-2013 04:27 AM
Wayne Dwops Flourish and API make root tabs but the cheapest/easiest option are osmocote plus capsules..many tpt users make and sell them on the sell/trade forum. You just stick them in every 5-6 inches near the bottom of the substrate.

Someone else is going to have to chime in on Aquavitro, I'm not getting how it's supposed to work, the ingredients are not what I see in other fertilizers
01-22-2013 04:12 AM
Colorblizzle Idk what it has in it but I was told its like flourish but more concentrated
01-22-2013 04:11 AM
Colorblizzle So what kind of ferts can I add to the flourite other than spikes? Or is that what I wanna add?
01-22-2013 04:06 AM
Wayne Dwops I just looked up Aquavitro Envy and...I don't get it. It doesn't have any trace elements or macro elements and I don't understand the vitamin b and vitamin c.
01-22-2013 03:58 AM
Wayne Dwops Flourite doesn't actually have nutrients in it, it is just a clay substrate that has a high CEC which means basically it can take and distribute nutrients to the roots easily, so you would want to use a substrate fertilizer that leeches into the roots of the plants over time.
01-22-2013 03:52 AM
thebuddha
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There's no room. Trust me I want to do dry ferts. I have more control over what my plants need and get that way. But my wife has pretty much told me no. So I have to go the other route. So I just need to know which is a BETTER product...
oh the joys of women!

I would suggest buying the dry ferts, as well as a big bouquet of flowers to distract her while you hide the ferts up high in a closet somewhere. lol!



Also, flourite is inert. so some root tabs would probably be beneficial.
01-22-2013 03:24 AM
Colorblizzle Ok I have seen those at the LFS I thought it was a brand called "NPK"
01-22-2013 03:23 AM
Colorblizzle Also my substrate is sloping from 1" in the front to 2" in the back roughly
01-22-2013 03:22 AM
Colorblizzle I have flourite as my substrate so I shouldn't need any other substrate ferts right? Ok so walk me they this process I'm a little confused to be honest. I already set the tank up with flourite an ac20 for filtration a 50w heater and 2 small pieces if driftwood. It's been running like that for a few weeks. I've altered the chemistry so my parameters are as follows GH-10dgh KH-16dkh I'm gonna do 50/50 RO water this will give me GH of 5 and KH of 8 I'm told this is great for planted tanks. Light comes in a few days. After that I'm gonna buy plants do I need ferts right away or let them grow on their own for a week or 2? Then add fish in about 2 weeks "silent cycle" style starting with otocinclus I'm told invade of algae from the beginning. Then wait maybe another month before adding more fish? Sound about right? And 4 hours of light a day to start miving up to 10 hours with a 4 hour "siesta" in the middle
01-22-2013 03:20 AM
Darkblade48
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Never heard if NPK or the other brand ill look into them.
The Seachem line is called "Seachem Nitrogen", "Seachem Phosphorus" and "Seachem Potassium" (NPK, respectively).
01-22-2013 03:14 AM
Wayne Dwops Be careful with Excel, it can actually make some low-light plants like anacharis melt.

Are you able to use root tabs or osmocote plus capsules? When you're just starting out I think Flourish Comprehensive and some type of substrate fertilizer is all you need for low-light, then if your plants don't seem to be thriving you can add in other things. I just started using Iron because it came with the "Plant Fundamentals Kit" Seachem sells..

And yeah, Comprehensive includes a little bit of everything but is very light on macros. The bottle recommends supplementing your supplement with their Flourish Nitrogen, Flourish Phosphorus, and Flourish Potassium for your plants NPK needs
01-22-2013 02:22 AM
Colorblizzle Alright. Again I'm still fighting the good fight to get the dry ferts. As far as macros being minimal in flourish that's fine because its a low light low-tech tank anyways. It's only gonna have 1WPG and about 40PAR at best. Never heard if NPK or the other brand ill look into them. At my LFS the plant guru there (20+ years experience with planted tanks) told me to use CO2 and high lighting. When I told him no and that I was gonna do dry ferts but my wife won't let me he was the one that recommended flourish and aquavitro envy...he says he swears by envy. And if I want a little quicker growth I can use excel as well. That's carbon right? I plan on my 1species if fish to be otocinclus so if I initially get an algae bloom I'm not worried
01-22-2013 02:13 AM
Darkblade48
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Ok...so comprehensive is that kinda like has all the macros in it I need for most low to medium light plants? And trace us well...trace elements then?
I believe comprehensive does include everything, but it is quite minimal.

You are better off using the trace mix that Seachem has, and then using their NPK line.

Pfertz makes some liquid fertilizers too.

ADA has liquid fertilizers as well.

This is assuming that there is absolutely no way to just buy the chemicals, make up the solutions, and store the excess at work/in your car/elsewhere.

To be honest, ingesting the chemicals is going to be less toxic than some of the other household chemicals that can be found....
01-22-2013 02:09 AM
Colorblizzle Ok...so comprehensive is that kinda like has all the macros in it I need for most low to medium light plants? And trace us well...trace elements then?
01-22-2013 02:06 AM
Wayne Dwops I use Flourish..comprehensive, iron, and trace.
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