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01-26-2013 07:59 AM
Bettatail broken diaphragm, the reg is dead.
01-26-2013 05:03 AM
HybridHerp So, sort of update on my situation of sorts.....
I brought my regulator to this hydroponics shop in my area (very useful to know that's there) and the guy tested it for me and told me that the seals inside seemed to have gone bad, among other things.....

The way he told me it was is that the regulator was busted beyond worthwhile repair and that it had more issues going on than where even worth mention (or that I really could grasp the concept of). What is it that could have caused the seals to have gone bad on the inside though? Could the water/mineral oil that was getting past the check valves originally have done the regulator in......this was only happening for a day however, and this regulator was only hooked up to everything for a day, not sure how much damage could have been done in terms of that within my having started using this regulator...

However, for the time being I have a replacement regulator that is working so far so good (I have to tighten the connection on one of the needle valves though...still playing around with it but the regulator itself is fine and not leaking anything)

I'll still get pics up of the old regulator, but there isn't all that much to really see I guess. All I know is that, its busted, and I trust the guy from the hydroponics place (it just was leaking air everywhere, the regulator itself)
01-22-2013 10:37 PM
HybridHerp
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Originally Posted by TwoTacoCombo View Post
Which side of the regulator are you considering the "back"? The side behind the knob, or where it attaches to the tank? If you've got water/oil leaking on the floor, check the bubble counter and hoses for cracks or loose attachments. There's really no conceivable way that your solenoid can have a large enough leak in it to pass oil without being completely obvious when the gas is turned on. Chances are it's just the lowest point in the system and the fluid is just working it's way there by gravity? Also, was this "freshly filled" 20# tank still cold when you hooked it up? Those things are frigid after a fill, and can take quite a while to warm to room temperature. This would raise the pressure significantly from the time it's filled to the point it reaches a balance...
I'm calling the back the opposite of the knob. Also, it is the lowest point, so its probably me failing with check valves.

Also, the tank had been filled and then sat for a few days so that it wasn't super cold anymore when I did all this.
01-22-2013 10:20 PM
TwoTacoCombo Which side of the regulator are you considering the "back"? The side behind the knob, or where it attaches to the tank? If you've got water/oil leaking on the floor, check the bubble counter and hoses for cracks or loose attachments. There's really no conceivable way that your solenoid can have a large enough leak in it to pass oil without being completely obvious when the gas is turned on. Chances are it's just the lowest point in the system and the fluid is just working it's way there by gravity? Also, was this "freshly filled" 20# tank still cold when you hooked it up? Those things are frigid after a fill, and can take quite a while to warm to room temperature. This would raise the pressure significantly from the time it's filled to the point it reaches a balance...
01-22-2013 10:11 PM
HybridHerp Little thing....I found a hydroponics place near me that deals with this sorta thing....so I'm going to bring the regulator and all to them as well to see what's up with it all.
01-22-2013 09:25 PM
HybridHerp Alright, sorry to take so long since I started this to get pics in here. I'll upload some by tonight for sure.

However, for now, I have the regulator off of the tank and sitting on a table to the side. I believe someone is going to give me a quick fix for this for the time being, since I go to school in less than a week, but I still have this regulator that I'm not sure about.

I'd love to see if I could find someone that I could bring this too and have them test things out and play around with it and whatnot, but in the meantime I'll try and get detailed pics and see what's going on with this.

However, I don't really want to put this back on my cylinder for the moment if I can help it, because last time I did the back of the regulator started having ice form and all that....also, if I do get something on my cylinder for now that works for me, I'm not going to take it off right away or anything.

I'll get pics up on here later tonight though, and I'll try and give any details that I can to the best of my ability.
01-21-2013 11:45 AM
oldpunk78 As Anthony noted, some detailed pics are going to be one of the best ways we can help you. When you say things are loose and dripping from the regulator, something has happened that's probably not even your fault.
01-21-2013 09:01 AM
Darkblade48
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Originally Posted by HybridHerp View Post
I just unhooked everything and took the regulator off of y tank, because I took the solinoide off and felt tht it had mineral oil on it......
Then I left it alone and when I looked at it, there was a puddle of mineral oil and water on the floor, slowly dripping out where the solinoide plugs in......
Where the solenoid plugs into what? Are you talking about the fittings, or are you talking about the electrical cord?

It sounds like there may be mineral oil and/or water in the solenoid itself (due to a faulty check valve). If water/mineral oil got into the solenoid, it might be fried.

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Originally Posted by HybridHerp View Post
also, my needle valves are loose I think
Which connection is loose?

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Originally Posted by KTern View Post
You should post some pic for these guys to help you out. Make sure your solenoid is unplug. You dont want to get a nice shock.
+1. We need more information/better descriptions/pictures to help you.

When you say parts are leaking, there are multiple parts that it can leak from.

When you say the needle valve is "loose", what exactly do you mean? The adjustment knob is loose? The connection/fittings to the solenoid/bubble counter are loose? What does your setup look like?

So many unknowns -- we are trying to help as best we can, but without more information, we are just throwing out random possibilities.
01-21-2013 06:37 AM
KTern You should post some pic for these guys to help you out. Make sure your solenoid is unplug. You dont want to get a nice shock.
01-20-2013 11:24 PM
HybridHerp Well, before doing a bubble test...I have a bigger problem.
I just unhooked everything and took the regulator off of y tank, because I took the solinoide off and felt tht it had mineral oil on it......
Then I left it alone and when I looked at it, there was a puddle of mineral oil and water on the floor, slowly dripping out where the solinoide plugs in......also, my needle valves are loose I think
I'm seriously like, beyond knowing what to do now....I'm rather agitated and I feel really lost.....
I'm like 2 minutes from just saying screw it and having someone with experience come over here....granted I don't know anyone in person but I'll find someone on the island from the forum or something, idc anymore.......
01-20-2013 11:09 PM
Darkblade48
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Originally Posted by HybridHerp View Post
I'm hoping its just that, but I'm afraid of my being wrong :\

Apparently, I sent a pic to the seller and they told me that my low pressure gauge went out of wack....so that's fantastic *sigh*

I'm just really discouraged right now
Posting the pictures here would be helpful as well.

Did you back off the regulator (turning the knob counterclockwise) before opening the main cylinder valve?

If not, opening the main cylinder valve and allowing 800 PSI of pressure to go into the delivery pressure gauge could be enough to cause the needle to go around the dial (and causing the needle to bend, etc).
01-20-2013 06:32 PM
HybridHerp
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Originally Posted by Bluek24a4 View Post
Ice means a leak for sure. Is it coming from the actual back of the regulator or is it leaking from a connection somewhere on the regulator and its building up ice on that part of the regulator?

The first time I set my reg up everything was fine and worked for the first day, and I assumed everything was nice and tight. The next day I had a leak and ice build up, and it was because I didn't have the reg to the CO2 tank connection tight enough. Made it tighter, and the leak went away. Be careful not to over tighten connections.
I'm hoping its just that, but I'm afraid of my being wrong :\

Apparently, I sent a pic to the seller and they told me that my low pressure gauge went out of wack....so that's fantastic *sigh*

I'm just really discouraged right now
01-20-2013 07:47 AM
Bluek24a4 Ice means a leak for sure. Is it coming from the actual back of the regulator or is it leaking from a connection somewhere on the regulator and its building up ice on that part of the regulator?

The first time I set my reg up everything was fine and worked for the first day, and I assumed everything was nice and tight. The next day I had a leak and ice build up, and it was because I didn't have the reg to the CO2 tank connection tight enough. Made it tighter, and the leak went away. Be careful not to over tighten connections.
01-20-2013 07:20 AM
FlyingHellFish ^ Google....

OR a better way is to massive PM

Darkblade
Bettatails
Oldpunk

Just spam them with PMs, they love answering questions. Questions PM to them is like blood to a vampire.
01-20-2013 07:13 AM
HybridHerp Alright, will do

And thanks for the help guys. I swear, the entire time I've been wanting to do this everyone I know has been calling me crazy and my parents were questioning if I would blow up the house or something. Idk if its just me, but its incredibly frustrating not knowing anyone else in person that is into these sort of things.
I really need to go to some meet ups and aquarium clubs and stuff like that....I will say its hard for me to figure some things out since I have no one to show these things to me.

If you guys don't mind me asking, especially those whom have built their own systems and stuff, how did you guys manage to get into that and get it all done right? Just a lot of time on the internet or does everyone else have buddies who can help hook them up?
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