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|02-09-2016 01:47 AM|
Did the one-two punches on Feb 06, 2016. Most algae have disappeared. The side effects caused a goldfish's death.
This is the list of steps done on a 56G tank:
1. Move all fish (6 goldfish and 1 Siamese Algae Eater), and 20% filter media, to another tank.
2. Move the remaining 80% filter media to a bucket with existing tank water.
3. Turned on Fluval 306 canister and maxijet 300 power head, plus a pump for added water flow.
4. Dump 300ml H2O2 into 56G tank (50G water).
5. Wait 30 minutes. Redirected water flow a few times.
6. In next 30 minutes, pump out 60% old water. Refill with tap water, add prime, turned on Fluval 306 + maxijet 300. Remove pump.
7. Add 25ml Excel.
8. Wait 15 minutes, put all filter media back, move all fish back to 56G tank.
There were a lot of small gas bubbles in the tank for the next few/ten hours.
24 hours later, all the brown algae disappeared, the plants look much greener. Sadly, a pearl scaled goldfish died. Ammonia reading was 0.5+ppm at that time. Nitrite (NO2) was 0ppm. The rise in ammonia reading was probably due to the combination of reduced bacteria in filter media, and the spike of organic matter (dead algae).
36 hours later, ammonia reading was 2.0+ppm, nitrite (NO2) was 0ppm. I immediately added 5x prime, move all fish to another tank, and did an 80% water change (and added 3x prime). Ammonia reading was 0.5ppm, nitrite (NO2) was 0ppm. The goldfish had to be moved back to the tank, because tiger/rosy/odessa barbs keep nipping on them in the other tank.
There is still some BBA around the canister filter pipes and water return, not sure if they are alive or dead. Will wait and see.
Conclusion: this method works, but beware of the side effects to fish or other live stocks.
|01-28-2016 03:22 PM|
All my vals are slowly going pale/translucent, but not all their leaves, so I'm praying they survive. The algae may not be gone, it's looking worse each day, but I'm not sure if it's going to kill it all off, but at least the vast majority is looking paler and is swaying more in the current each day. It's now been 3 days and I've concluded that using the full strength glut dose would have killed my algae for sure, but it may have also killed off my vals. I'm suspecting that with the root tabs in the soil, and the roots the vals have, they will spring back eventually, but I'll need to trim off their dying leaves soon or risk having them breakdown and contribute to algae coming back.
The val I seperated from the tank during the treatment looks the same as prior, so I'm fairly certain the treatment is what is killing the val leaves, not my use of 1.5X glut dose afterwards (I was previously only using 0.75 which I slowly increased for a month prior to reach 1X so the vals would adjust.)
I'm going to call this a partial success. And recommend to anyone with vals to be cautious. And definitely avoid doing this treatment with full glut dosage if your vals are brand new and have yet to establish a good root system.
|01-26-2016 05:21 AM|
Yes, but I can't imagine my vals doing well with that kind of glut concentration. If I don't see improvement then I'll know that it isn't enough to only dose the high amount for 30 minutes. Plus if the vals struggle they die, break down, release ammonia and nutrients and assist algae rather than fight it.
I still worry I just wasted 4 hours but hopefully with the high flow the glut had time to do some of the work needed.
|01-25-2016 10:09 PM|
|ichy||You really dont want to do too many water changes right off the bat without keeping the glut level at the high rate...that's the 2 of the 1-2 punch and to dilute the glut(hey that rhymes and I mean it!) is kind of cheating the process.|
|01-25-2016 08:54 PM|
Trying this 1-2 punch out myself.
Removed my subwassertang, and one jungle val in case the others get nuked. I'm not sure what to do with the subwassertang. I think it has clado, and if so a blackout treatment won't do any good.
I also removed all my fish and most of my shrimp to help.
After doing so I even ended up doubling the H2O2 dose half way through (8 mins with suggested amount, 8 mins with additional dose).
After dosing the glut though I was nervous about the vals (I really enjoy them) so after waiting 20 minutes with high flow, just like with the H2O2 I did another massive water change, hopefully removing most of what remained of the H2O2, and bringing the glut concentration back down pretty close to a normal 1.5X the recommended dose on the bottle.
With all the water change I didn't want to shock the fish when I reintroduced, so I'm currently working to help match the old tank Nitrate and Gh params in the new water.
I expect some shrimp death given the massive amount of H2O2 and the glut spike, and the nitrate drop and return (from ~50ppm to 0 then back to ~50 in an hour is not gentle I dont think).
I'm also going to be keeping really close tabs on ammonia the next two or three days, and feeding sparsely.
|12-07-2015 02:43 PM|
Did one successful treatment several months ago, but life happened and I wasn't able to care for the tank as closely, missed several weeks of water changes and co2 ran out. Plant growth had become so dense it was virtually 12" of packed stems with no leaves for most the tanks footprint and the entire bottom 6" of the tank was a tangled mess of pure BBA and some kind of green cladophora type wirey hair algae.
This time around after manually removing as much as I could, I did the full 4 tbsp per 10 gallon like the original recommendation on peroxide. 3 days later no deaths, not even snails, and the algae is really disappearing. Much moreso than it did with the 2 tbsp per 10 gallons. I also let it circulate for a lot longer than 15 minutes. Went more like 30.
|08-12-2015 11:24 AM|
If condition's that brought the various form's of algae are not corrected ,the one two punch,and other treatment's will only bring temporary result's.
Need to train ones effort's on what plant's need and don't need, and then you can spend less time treating algae and more time studying rates of growth with your plant's.
Need to figure out what you are doing that might be hampering growth of plant's and encouraging the algae.
If you can't /won't do this..then no one algae treatment or combination thereof is gonna bring an end to the algae.
You will just be trading fixes for one type of algae for another, and the algae is very likely to return in one form or another.
Need to combine algae treament's with making correction's needed to prevent it's return.
I learned this truth the hard way.
|08-12-2015 07:22 AM|
|The Big Buddha||
I gave this a try on my 40B, 8 tablespoons. 15 mins with tons of flow, 60% WC, then 8 ml of metricide.
The BBA looked a little lighter in color, not grey, white or red though. On day three I lost 2 rasabora, one orange Von rio tetra.
Should I try the original dose of 4 tablespoons per 10g?
My peroxide is a new container as well.
|07-23-2015 02:14 PM|
Originally Posted by biglos201 View Post
|07-22-2015 08:55 PM|
Originally Posted by ichy View Post
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|07-22-2015 08:24 PM|
I did the treatment about a month ago AS PER DIRCTIONS. I have 3 amano and 3 ghost shrimp in the tank. None of them were affected by the treatment.
(Except they are hunger due to lack of algae).
It was a very affective treatment.
That said, if you read the entire thread, shrimp seem to be rather hit or miss. A lot of variables with organisms, if they are stressed they may not pull through well, etc.
So if you are really going to do the treatment, maybe consider the shrimp expendable, and if they pull through, bonus?
|07-22-2015 08:16 PM|
Originally Posted by BlackDiamondShrimp View Post
|07-16-2015 12:31 AM|
Originally Posted by ichy View Post
|07-15-2015 10:47 PM|
|exv152||I wouldn't use anymore h2o2 unless you turn off your filter. I'd also do the excel/glut treatment and do a blackout period where you cover your tank for 3-4 days with absolutely no light whatsoever. Then give it a week and repeat the same thing if necessary.|
|07-15-2015 05:35 PM|
|ichy||Did you dose Excel afterwards? If the algae is dead you see a noticeable red appearance to it after a couple days.|
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