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01-07-2013 02:17 AM
keithy I agree with what jake mentioned.
01-05-2013 02:52 PM
somewhatshocked That means you're on the low end of low light, which isn't a bad thing.

You should avoid Dwarf Hair Grass. You're going to have to mess with the substrate too much while planting. If you want to keep shrimp, you'll need to take it easy when it comes to messing with the tank.

I understand that there are bits of moss here and there but you'll need plenty of it for shrimp. Not just hiding places but room for them to move around within the moss, to feed, to generally exist. Especially if you're set on keeping fish that aren't good tank mates.
01-05-2013 01:59 PM
Adam Kentucky I am using a marineland double bright 24-36" and no CO2.
01-05-2013 12:55 PM
keithy adam, what type of light do you have and are you doing co2?
01-05-2013 12:24 PM
Adam Kentucky Ok. You make some excellent points! One of my WCMMs is a real jerk. He is always "herding" my tetra and WCMM. It might have been that fish that pestered the shrimp. Though I've never seen him bother shrimp, I have seen his sneaky fish self rooting around in the java moss.

The decoration in the middle is hollow and filled with hornwort and the roots of my java fern so fish cannot get in there. When the shrimp arent in the java moss, they hide there. Also, there is more java moss than i show in my pics. There is a bit behind the driftwood on the right side of my tank. Maybe I can add some dwarf hairgrass in front of the driftwood on both side of my tank to make the those areas more shrimp safe?

I really need my plants to fill in more to create a better space in my tank. Hopefully the flourish comprehensive that I have started dosing will help with that.

01-04-2013 08:40 PM
somewhatshocked The shrimp could have died for a number of reasons. Stress from the previously present Ammonia and Nitrite, stirring up things when planting and replanting, general stress. It's tough to say.

Since you have Tetras and very few places for shrimp to hide, I'm betting it was pestered to death. Would be a good idea to add more moss.

Your GH and KH are perfect for Cherries. No real need to worry about calcium in your tank.
01-04-2013 02:04 PM
Adam Kentucky All of my other plants and fish seem to be doing fine. The plants are all growing new leaves, even the jungle val which had the holes in its older leaves. The neon tetras are bright and colorful and they are swimming in a loose group. And, last but not least, the surviving WCMM has regained its color and is eating well during feeding time. It seems that giving it another WCMM friend really helped it to recover.

Trading plants sounds great! I'll be looking forward to that once my plants become more established.

BTW, I bought the API KH & GH test kit and the calcium test kit. My tap and tank water is testing GH 12 dH (~210 ppm) and KH 6 dH (~105 ppm). Calcium was ~80 mg/L. So, I'm still not quite sure why that shrimp died.
01-03-2013 09:52 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Kentucky View Post
Do healthy shrimp sometimes fail to molt?
I have very little experience with shrimps and cannot tell you for sure.

How are your plants and other livestocks doing?
Once you get your plants to grow, we can probably trade or something. I know you don't have much for now, maybe I can ROAK you some in the near future. Its nice to share plants so we have different species available at all times.

on a related note, don't bury the anubias rhizome.
01-03-2013 03:08 AM
Adam Kentucky Thanks for the advice Keith! I will check into the plants you suggested. I will probably wait until I am ready to plant the 10 gal before I purchase anymore though.

In regards to the shrimp mystery, I think it might have been a failed molt and that is why I question the level of nutrients in my tank. See the pic below.

That's not just a white exoskeleton that's nearly whole shrimp that turned white. When I pulled it out of the tank the other side of it still had its red color. Also, I have been testing my water for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate every other day. I have not seen anything other than about 20 ppm nitrate.

Do healthy shrimp sometimes fail to molt?
01-02-2013 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Kentucky View Post
Thanks Keith! What kind of stems/carpet do you recommend? I already have the water wisteria in there. I think I have six or so. If you had the chance to replant/rearrange everything that is already in my tank what layout would you do?

TBH I have just been experimenting. I buy plants and just throw them in. I really have no clue about laying out plants, especially in a tank with a 3d background.
If I were you, I would also do what you're doing now, which is experiment first. What I would probably do it see if things would grow under your current light, ferts regime and etc. Once you get things to grow, then I would think about better aquascaping. Personally, I think your background would look good with java fern, anubias nana or bolbitis. These are low light plants but would do well in high light and co2 conditions too. As for stems, I would go a little minimal look. A. Reineckii would be a good choice for low light. Carpet that with maybe gloss/marsilea minuta or S. Repens. But that's just me.

I think your tank may still be going through the cycling process .... where you see spikes in amonia every now and then. That would be my guess. Have you tested your water lately?
Nutrients should not affect your shrimp.

About curling leaves, give it some more time before making changes. But adding ferts should be ok. It may be as simple as plants trying to adapt to new environment/light/water conditions.

Hopefully, Jake could chime in more about cycling and why the leaves are curling. Right Jake ?
01-02-2013 04:20 PM
Adam Kentucky I have a couple of questions today. I noticed that the leaves of my plants were starting to curl, so I did some research and determined that this was probably due to nutrient deficiencies. Maybe it's a calcium deficiency, but I doubt it. The background in my tank is made from cement which contains loads of CaCO3. Also, I have fluorite substrate. So, I purchased a bottle of Seachem flourish comprehensive. Yesterday I added only half a dose ~1 ml. Tomorrow I plan to add another half-dose and then do a water change on Friday. I'm trying to avoid any sudden changes in water chemistry. Next week I will start adding full doses.

My question is how long should it take for the plant leaves to start uncurling? Also, my jungle val has been laying over rather than standing up and it had small holes/tears on some of its leaves. Will the flourish comp help with this as well? I trimmed off the parts with holes and the leaves that were laying over badly. Was this the right thing to do?

Another question. I had a dead shrimp in my tank this morning. What could have done this? Low nutrient levels that are also affecting the plants?

Additional info:
My tank run from 74 F to 77 F.
Ammonia 0 ppm
Nitrite 0 ppm
Nitrate ~20 ppm
I add half of an algae wafer (Hikari brand) at night and remove it in the morning. Usually not much of it is eaten. Sometimes there will be one shrimp on it.

Curling leaves on my wisteria

Crypts leaves are curling, but there is also a ton of new growth.

Another pic of the crypt growth and curling. BTW does anyone else's anubias push itself WAY out of the substrate?

12-31-2012 02:18 PM
Adam Kentucky Thanks Keith! What kind of stems/carpet do you recommend? I already have the water wisteria in there. I think I have six or so. If you had the chance to replant/rearrange everything that is already in my tank what layout would you do?

TBH I have just been experimenting. I buy plants and just throw them in. I really have no clue about laying out plants, especially in a tank with a 3d background.
12-29-2012 07:11 PM
keithy looking good adam. Have you considered foreground carpet or mid to background stems? Having 2 or 3 layers of plants make scape looks a lot more pleasant.
12-29-2012 04:17 PM
Adam Kentucky I added 6 neon tetra and 1 WCMM.


Bad artsy shot

Last but not least. I have started a 10 gallon tank. Just derimmed it and resealed it with black silicone.

12-27-2012 02:12 PM
Adam Kentucky PICTURES!!!

On the right side of the tank, I added Cryptocoryne wendtii green and water wisteria.

On the left side of the tank I added java moss to the driftwood and planted MORE Crypts and wisteria.

Red cherry shrimp

White cloud mountain minnow looking very sad.

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