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07-05-2013 05:42 PM
Arklatex Thats pretty cool that you figured out how to get all that through the little hole on the edge. With the substrate in it may look like one big piece instead of several small ones.
07-05-2013 04:18 PM
AnotherHobby Also, this tank get's emptied of all of it's plants in 2-3 weeks, so that's when this new build will start.
07-05-2013 04:15 PM
AnotherHobby Two days ago, it dawned on me that I still like this tank, and just because it sucks for high tech doesn't mean it wouldn't still be fun for low light low tech. One of the significant issues with this tank is aquascaping through a 6.75" x 4.5" hole. You can't really fit any large, branchy, dramatic wood. But since it's low light, low tech, and will be lightly planted, I really want a substantial hardscape to set off what plants there will be.

While thinking about this, it suddenly clicked! I can use the same technique I did on my fallen tree build, except modify it to make it easy to install. I can only use one hand in the tank, so installing zip ties would be a nightmare. After a little abstract thinking, here is what I came up with. This will actually fit inside of an edge, and it's pre-zip-tied. All of the zip-ties go through holes drilled strategically in the manzanita wood so that their placement is relatively precise.

So here was the trick. The zip ties for the tall branches are loose right now, so I can lay them down flat. Then the thickness and width with he egg crate structure is just narrow and shallow enough to slip through the top hole of the Edge. Once it's in, the zip-ties are placed so that when I tighten them up the brances will stand up vertical again. I ran a dry run test and was easily able to assemble and tighten the structure with one hand. I think this should look pretty darn good in my Edge.

I figure I can put moss on the manzanita wood, and then start acquiring low light plants. I should have enough aquasoil left over from my other build to use that in here. That would give the plants all the nutrients they should need. That said, for this hardscape pool filter sand may look better, and then I could just use root tabs. Still undecided on that one.

07-02-2013 04:21 AM
AnotherHobby So this tank is now becoming a jungle as I am collecting all of the plants I need for my new project. I wasn't really going for anything here I'm just trying to keep the plants in groups for repurposing, but it's starting to look pretty cool.

06-19-2013 03:24 AM
AnotherHobby With a new tank on the way, I really need my aquasoil out of this tank. However, I also need to keep all of my plants, fish, and shrimp alive while I get the other setup going, and this is my only other tank. So...

I did a full tear down. Then I removed all of the aquasoil, rinsed it, and set it out on screens to dry in the garage. Meanwhile, I decided I may as well have a little fun with this since I'll probably have to keep it running for 1-2 more months while I DSM the new tank.

I picked up some miracle gro organic choice potting mix, sifted out all the junik, and capped it some pool filter sand for cheap. I came up with the little scape below on the fly. Up on the rock mound there is rotola, blyxia, and downoi. In front of the drift wood is bocopa. Lower right carpet is marsilea quadrifolia. Stuffed into the rock pile is anubias nana petite, and down in front of the rock pile is s.repens (which is new). Along the back of everything is jungle val. This gives my critters a nice home until I get the new tank completely ready for them.

I actually think it turned out pretty good for a quick one evening rescape with no plan. The water is still cloudy from the sand and I'm monitoring for a mini cycle. That said, it's been up for 48 hours now, and no ammonia. It all went pretty well.

The fish are definitely happy with it. They aren't hiding or anything and are swimming all over and showing their colors well.

06-15-2013 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by FlyingHellFish View Post
That a beast of a 12 gallon Edge tank. Reminds me the time when I used to take care of my 12's, she a low tech now.

Anyways, you can reduce that regulator's size with two SS fittings. It will look much cleaner and reduce the chances of leaks. But it does require you to take off the LP gauge, :S

1/4 M - 1/8 M - Solenoids - Elbow 1/8 all male, done.
It is a beast, and it's too much work for how hard it is to access. And it really sucks that I have to flip up the light to work on it, so then I can't even see what I'm doing.

I know the CO2 setup could be cleaner, but I'm not touching the reg. I had several pieces of SS cease (basically galling) together and ruin parts. I ruined the needle valve (replaced it), I ruined 2 excellent little SS fittings, and I ruined a beautiful little SS burkert solenoid.

Even when I removed a part that came installed on the low pressure side, it was ceased. I don't know why it was so much trouble for me (even fittings I didn't put together), but now that it's working, I'm not risking ruining anything.

On Thursday my new 24" Finnex Ray 2 showed up. I set it on top of my Edge and was blown away by the output. The PC I have on it is quite a bit brighter than the LEDs that came with it, but the Finnex absolutely blows it out of the water. It's amazingly bright. I can't wait for my new tank to show up.

The pics below are both shot at the exact same ISO, aperture, and shutter speed, so they show the actual difference in light out put between the Ray 2 and my 27 watt power compact:

06-15-2013 02:17 AM
FlyingHellFish That a beast of a 12 gallon Edge tank. Reminds me the time when I used to take care of my 12's, she a low tech now.

Anyways, you can reduce that regulator's size with two SS fittings. It will look much cleaner and reduce the chances of leaks. But it does require you to take off the LP gauge, :S

1/4 M - 1/8 M - Solenoids - Elbow 1/8 all male, done.
06-11-2013 04:42 PM
AnotherHobby That's it! I've just grown too tired with trying to manage this tank's life through a tiny hole in the top. The limitation is very frustrating for me.

Today I ordered the new low iron Mr Aqua MA-720LI.

I got it from Marine Depot, who doesn't have it on their site, but they special ordered it for me for $122 shipped. It has identical dimensions to an ADA 60-P, with the same low iron glass, and about $80 cheaper. I like my little 3 gallon Mr Aqua a lot, so I'm sure this one will be good too.

For lighting I ordred a Finnex Ray2 24" model. Other than that, I have everything else. I'll be using the substrate, the CO2, Fluval 306 filter, and other stuff from this tank.

Once I'm done tearing this one down, I don't know if I'll set up something low maintenance in this, or if I'll just sell it. We'll see...
06-10-2013 12:15 PM
AnotherHobby I haven't updated this in quite a while, so here goes...

The addition of CO2 with the external canister filter and very small surface area of water at the top caused problems. CO2 would not even drop to green by morning. Fish were huffing, and there was clearly not enough oxygen in the tank. Since February I've been running it about 1/4" to 1/2" below the glass ceiling, and the inhabitants are much happier. It doesn't look quite as good, but that's of less importance than happy critters.

As far as any changes go, I've added some blyxia to the far right, and I've propagated a lot of the downoi. I started with just 2, plus a tiny 3rd. I've since propagated that out to 6 of them. The rest of the plants are all the same.

The biggest annoyance is the fact that all of the substrate has basically settled to be much closer to flat from where I started. I've lost of most of my slopes and grading. It's all filled in the front where the MQ is. Much of the MQ has simply filled up to the leaves, while others have stretched higher out of the substrate.

The dimensions of the tank and the tiny hole at the top have gotten old for me. I'm going to keep running with it for a while, but I'm craving a larger open top aquarium so bad it hurts.

Current shot:

02-02-2013 06:14 PM
AnotherHobby FINALLY got my pressurized CO2 going.

It was a long and frustrating journey with many ruined stainless parts due to galling and whatnot, but it's done. Originally, all of the pieces between the body and the needle valve were beautiful stainless (including the solenoid) and no brass at all. In the end I didn't care and just wanted to get it going. I'll clean up the tape on the threads later and such, but I'm super happy to have this working.

Next up will be to build a CO2 reactor to get the bubbles out of the tank.

01-29-2013 05:18 AM
awcoburn2 Tank looks great. Really love the look of the stand.
01-29-2013 03:50 AM
RobMc Your stand is a work of raw industrial art - and I like the magical look of the flora. Power to the filtration dude.
01-29-2013 03:23 AM
Soup12 spray paint the tubes black ( there is fish safe spray paint)

I did that with my 406 piping inside my 75g discus tank.
01-29-2013 12:31 AM

Pump update: Overkill

I have replaced the OEM AquaClear 20 with... something ridiculous. A Fluval 306 external canister. Let me explain.

I got the filter back on Black Friday for just $85 on a Petco website error. I had no immediate need for it, but have been piecing together the stuff I need for bigger tank, and it was a killer deal. It's been in my basement ever since.

Fast forward to today. I've been battling algae, which is mostly CO2 related. The DIY CO2 is inconstant. I think it's mostly due to my house temp which is run on a programmable thermostat. In the winter the drops to 62 during the day and at night and it runs at 69 in the morning and evenings. CO2 output drops noticeably when the temp drops to 62.

The other issue that is causing algae (I think) is flow. The AC 20 filter really doesn't move the water that well now that the tank is filled with plants. Almost all of the algae is where there is almost no flow. Furthermore, CO2 bubbles on the top of this tank bugs me.

I've been thinking of adding an external pump to improve flow, and then I could also hook a C02 reactor to it and get rid of the bubbles. Win! Except that there is no room for hoses with the AC20 in the way, or I'd at least have to re-do my whole custom light thing, and I don't even know if I can fit the hoses anyway. I've literally been thinking about this for weeks.

Then today it dawned on my that I had this big canister filter that could theoretically solve the problem. The issue was could I get it to run slow enough. The manual even says you can slow it down as much as you want with no harm or extra wear on the motor. Well the answer is YES! I can literally slow it down to nothing, or crank it up to a full 300+ GPH (EEK!).

After thorough testing, I made the swap tonight. I love that I can aim the output of this thing to move water however I want. I'm quite happy with everything other than cosmetics. I don't like how the included intake/output look in the tank. Oh well, I can deal with that later.

Hoses route pretty easily through the back:

No problem fitting behind my light (in fact there is quite a bit more room here now):

Here's the part I'm not in love with, the bright white equipment:

In all, I'm digging it. I can adjust the output to push anywhere, and I can adjust the flow volume very easily. I can now hook up a hydor inline heater and a CO2 reactor and get those two things out of my tank, so that's nice as well.
01-11-2013 02:41 AM
Originally Posted by AnotherHobby View Post
Thanks! It's amazing how much I've learned (and even more amazing how much I don't know!). I researched tons before starting, and I'm glad I did because I avoided a lot of mistakes the second time around.
You're welcome! And yeah, it seems like the more I read and learn, the more I feel I still need to learn before taking the plunge. There's so much information on this forum!
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