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11-20-2012 03:10 AM
kyleax1 Well I guess I will find out. Thx for all the info ovt & crob.

Feel free to tell me the dry fert recipes in pm ovt. I will start making my own when I run out of seachems
11-20-2012 12:46 AM
Crob5965 I have 1 pink grow bulb and 1 std 6500k or maybe 6700k bulb
works for me
so I would stick with what you have

I ordered some cheap knock off LED light on Ebay of the Marineland 36" LED Light for my 40 Gal it's lightly planted with no ferts in the substrate just sand so I'm interested to see if that works out it's supposed to put out 10k but I'll have to wait and see.

I think you made a good choice with the Maxijet the 600 does good in my 55 gal but I wish i'd gone a little bigger so that was probably a good call.

In my opinion a 55 gal is a lot more work than most tanks for some reason I have had 75 gals and 60 gals and it seems that the 4' 55 gal is really tough to work with and hard to decorate due to it being so narrow.

good luck with the BBA dont give up i'm sure you will figure it out just try 1 thing at a time
11-19-2012 03:11 PM
kyleax1 I just ordered the maxi-jet 900 and it should be here Wednesday.

one of the things I asked about was the lighting. Is 1 pink grow bulb and 1 10k bulb optimum or should I change one of them out for a different bulb that will give better results?
11-19-2012 10:12 AM
Crob5965 I do have a Powerhead in mine Maxijet 600 I think which is the equivalent to to the one at Walmart. Personally ive never used the W-mart one but I recently got 2 of my friends into keeping freshwater fish and they both use the W-mart brand powerheads. from what I can tell they are a little bulkier and nosier than the Maxi-jets and one of them said it does not work properly when you lay in horizontally. if you have time you can pick up a maxijet 600 on Ebay for under $20 I paid $16 for mine I think which is $5 cheaper than the walmart brand one but your gonna have to wait a week or so to get it in the mail.
11-19-2012 04:45 AM
kyleax1 Ya, I'm all about saving money
11-19-2012 03:56 AM
OVT I'd go with something in a 400-550 gph range. Remember? 4'-long tank
Yeah, it can get expensive, ~$40.

I'd put it 2-4" below the surface, around the same as your spray bar. You will have to play with the positioning a bit to see where the flow goes.

One of the best ways to save $$ and do good for your plants is to buy dry chemicals here on TPT and mix your own fertilizer. For <$40 you get enough to last you a year+, big savings over buying Seachem stuff which is ~90% water. I can give simple steps on how to mix them with water and my formula, if you want. Takes 30 mins to mix enough for ~3 months and 1 min 3 times a week to add it to your tank.
11-19-2012 03:17 AM
kyleax1 Will the aqua tech 170gph powerhead from walmart work?

How far down should I put it?

I shortened the spray bar. It was at 3 bars and I just shortened it to 1
11-19-2012 02:58 AM
OVT If that works, I've done something useful today

My recommendation attempts to fix the basic issues, which I believe might be the flow. 55g is a 4'-long tank. My experience with your filter: the flow is overrated; it clogs up too fast; the long spray bar I see in your tank makes the flow even weaker.

You can dump all the fertilizers you can think of in the tank, but if they do not reach the plants they do no good. That's the reason for the order of my steps: flow -> organics -> fertilization.

If none of the above helps, we can dive in deeper.
11-19-2012 02:37 AM
kyleax1 Thx for the detailed suggestion ovt.

That will give me a project to work on for getting rid of the bba.

Are you suggesting I don't try to fix the problems with the leaves with holes and see through leaves?
11-19-2012 02:13 AM
OVT I like the tank - good job.

I personally belive in small incremental changes, that way you can better figure out what works and what does not. I that were my tank, this is what I would do:

2 - 3 weeks
  • Add a powerhead (like Coralia) in the back right corner pointed towards the front left corner: you want gentle flow to reach the oposite side of the tank
  • Clean the filter ~ once every 2 weeks
You should start seeing changes in BBA

If no substantial difference:
Deeper vacuuming of substrate, especially around the plants with BBA 2 times per week for 2 weeks

If no substantial difference:
Up your fertilization to 3 x week for 2 weeks
You should start seeing improvement in your plants

If no substantial difference:
Start adding Trace 3 x week for 2 weeks

If no substantial difference:
Increase Potassium dosage x2 and start adding Nitrogen per instructions for 2 weeks

The above recommendations are based on:
BBA = flow (even distribution of nutrients) + excess of organics
Plants = Light + nutrients + flow
11-19-2012 01:34 AM
kyleax1 Do I need to dose nitrogen?

Btw, Thx for the tank compliment crob
11-19-2012 01:34 AM
Crob5965 I'm kinda with Evilgrin I would just use c02 or excel

like I said in my earlier post it fixed my problem in a week or so just using excel now I order a gal of Glutaraldehyde 2.5% and dilute it and it's a lot cheaper 1 gal is aprox $22 and it makes 2 gal equivalent of flourish excel my lighting output is a 48" T5HO putting out 6500k I think and everything is thriving

my 40 gal has nothing for substrate other than pool filter sand so all I have for my plants is lighting and Glutaraldehyde and so far so good

sounds like your doing a lot more than me and having way more trouble so I have to think your doing too much.

my lights are currently on from 0530-1030 and 1400-2000 but have been on constantly from 0530-2000 and it hasn't changed anything I just don't think it's good for my Angels.
11-19-2012 01:21 AM
Originally Posted by Evilgrin View Post
My first thought is how long are you leaving the lights on? if more then 8 hours a day try reducing the duration to 8 hrs and see how that goes.

It was 4+3+4 (8 total), I upped it to 5+3+4(9) last week because I got new plants and I thought a little extra light time would help stimulate new growth from them quicker.
11-19-2012 01:10 AM
Evilgrin My first thought is how long are you leaving the lights on? if more then 8 hours a day try reducing the duration to 8 hrs and see how that goes.

Not sure why your adding diy CO2 and excel the CO2 should be enough according to what your drop checker is reading. CO2 indicator = drop checker.

You might want to get a small syringe and dose the affected leaves directly with the excel to kill off the BBA.

As for why it keeps coming back I wish I knew.
11-19-2012 01:04 AM
Crob5965 I also bought 2 CAE which helped but they dug up my substrate and always clouded up my water so I ended up getting rid of them when the problem went away
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