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10-09-2012 11:46 PM
AVN I PM'd him first and he said he had a couple left. Do you want to just get one from him or would you prefer to split a sandwich bag? It's a small amount but in a couple weeks it'll double, if not triple!
10-09-2012 11:40 PM
Michael M
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Such a coincidence, I'm looking for frogbit myself. I found a good ROAK right here on these forums!

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=192840

If you do manage to get one of those sandwich bags, you should share it with me.
I PMed him we shall seeeee!
10-09-2012 11:31 PM
AVN Such a coincidence, I'm looking for frogbit myself. I found a good ROAK right here on these forums!

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=192840

If you do manage to get one of those sandwich bags, you should share it with me.
10-09-2012 11:26 PM
Michael M
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I have some beastly ones that are quite dangerous. One could mistake them for lobsters. Those of course live in the pond, not in any tanks I would keep anything else in.

As for duckweed, I hope you are in for a serious commitment in terms of scooping out handfuls of duckweed every so often. As for me, I find it much, much easier than trimming most plants. As long as you don't let the duckweed get to the point where it chokes light, you'll be fine.

Aesthetically, I love the way it grows and bunches on the surface. It's also been known to be a tasty snack for some of my fish. you'd do well to have this in an ACF tank! Although you should consider semi terrestrial frogs and lilypads instead!
I was thinking amazon frogbit, but I am still trying to locate some. It has a nice look to it.
10-09-2012 11:19 PM
AVN
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Oh if the crayfish is that small I am surprised the frog has not taken a go at him. Most crayfish I've seen in aquariums are quite capable of hurting ACF (and fish!).

My mental image is of a huge clawed crayfish, some of the ones I've seen are quite beastly and they're all predatory so I wouldn't trust them.
I have some beastly ones that are quite dangerous. One could mistake them for lobsters. Those of course live in the pond, not in any tanks I would keep anything else in.

As for duckweed, I hope you are in for a serious commitment in terms of scooping out handfuls of duckweed every so often. As for me, I find it much, much easier than trimming most plants. As long as you don't let the duckweed get to the point where it chokes light, you'll be fine.

Aesthetically, I love the way it grows and bunches on the surface. It's also been known to be a tasty snack for some of my fish. you'd do well to have this in an ACF tank! Although you should consider semi terrestrial frogs and lilypads instead!
10-09-2012 08:33 PM
Dakota7777 They look great in there! I love it !
10-09-2012 08:30 PM
Michael M
Pics of my ACF Set Up

This is my ACF set up.. it's a big time work in progress right now though.. tank is only about 3 weeks old.

They love the caves!
10-09-2012 08:25 PM
Michael M
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I got mine at my LFS. They said hey you can have this clean healthy duckweed if you buy this bichir. So the compulsive shopper that I am, I bought the bichir and got the duckweed. It was nice for awhile, but it took over my tank and like you said, there's no getting rid of it. I cleared it all out (so I thought) and then in two weeks time, my tank was covered in them yet again. They are cool looking, but more of an annoyance plant. Unless you seriously want it, I wouldn't advise. I was told that I would end up throwing out handfuls. Skeptical at first, I said whatever, but sure enough I just threw out two handfuls from my other tank last week and more buds are coming in..
I kind of wanted to make a 'swamp' look for my frog aquarium, for that reason I am kind of tempted.

I've not seen duckweed around here, I saw some growing in a little creek that may of been duckweed but I'm not adventurous enough to go down and check it out yet.

Hey at least you probably have great water quality. I hear duckweed does have a highly positive effect on water. : )
10-09-2012 08:19 PM
Dakota7777 I got mine at my LFS. They said hey you can have this clean healthy duckweed if you buy this bichir. So the compulsive shopper that I am, I bought the bichir and got the duckweed. It was nice for awhile, but it took over my tank and like you said, there's no getting rid of it. I cleared it all out (so I thought) and then in two weeks time, my tank was covered in them yet again. They are cool looking, but more of an annoyance plant. Unless you seriously want it, I wouldn't advise. I was told that I would end up throwing out handfuls. Skeptical at first, I said whatever, but sure enough I just threw out two handfuls from my other tank last week and more buds are coming in..
10-09-2012 08:13 PM
Michael M
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Thank you for the plant ideas. Mine absolutely loves duckweed, but I hate it haha. I leave in there for her because it's her home, but I hate when I hand feed her and I have ten little clover looking plants on my forearm...
I've seriously considered adding duckweed to my tank.

It does have it's perks, it is great for maintaining good water quality and shade for your frogs.. however you're absolutely right, it's messy.. pretty sure you can't be rid of it without a total break down and bleaching of the tank too!

Where did you get your duckweed? Did you get it from a ditch or canal? I've thought about hunting for some but I am weary of adding stuff I find outside to my aquariums (parasites, disease, ect ect..).
10-09-2012 08:05 PM
Dakota7777 Thank you for the plant ideas. Mine absolutely loves duckweed, but I hate it haha. I leave in there for her because it's her home, but I hate when I hand feed her and I have ten little clover looking plants on my forearm...
10-09-2012 07:55 PM
Michael M
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I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact I am totally agreeing.

I will be moving the turtle once he gets big enough, right now he's only 2 inches so he's less of a threat to the frog than the frog is to himself.

The crayfish I have to completely disagree with. The frog is 3 inches long, the crayfish is merely an inch long. His entire claw is as big as the frog's claw is long. The worst he can do is pinch him, if that. He spends 20 hours out of the day completely buried in a tunnel he dug in the substrate under a piece of driftwood, the frog is a free swimmer. They NEVER interact.
Oh if the crayfish is that small I am surprised the frog has not taken a go at him. Most crayfish I've seen in aquariums are quite capable of hurting ACF (and fish!).

My mental image is of a huge clawed crayfish, some of the ones I've seen are quite beastly and they're all predatory so I wouldn't trust them.
10-09-2012 07:51 PM
Michael M
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Anybody have luck with plants? Mine just get uprooted daily and die..
Here's my experience.

Dwarf Hair Grass = waste of time+money. It will be uprooted faster than it grows.

Wisteria will root just fine, you may have to plant it again now and then but it's grown well in my tank.

Moneywort (bacopa) grows fine, stays rooted alright. Occasionally needs to be replanted.

Pennywort, frogs love it as they do most floating plants, they will rest in it.

Jungle Vals, died on me left and right.. may have been sold 'Mondo Grass' labled as Vals..

Anubias works great, attach to driftwood.

Java Fern is the same as anubias.

Christmas Moss I have growing on my driftwood, it's not really grown a ton yet it appears to be taking root though.

***Crypt Wendtii (forgot I had one of these in my tank) is great. Very strong root system, impossible for the frogs to dislodge.. has been growing very nicely in my tank! They get pretty big and provide nice cover, the frogs love to rest in it.

The problem with ACF and plants IMO is two fold. Numero Uno.. they don't like bright light.. I have a Finnex 36" 7k/7k LED on my 40B and I am in the process of moving it higher above the tank to cut down on light.. shoot for low light..

That and they uproot everything.. I would stick to plants that deeply root. Dwarf Hair Grass was a complete nightmare for me.. I moved it to another tank..
10-09-2012 07:50 PM
AVN I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact I am totally agreeing.

I will be moving the turtle once he gets big enough, right now he's only 2 inches so he's less of a threat to the frog than the frog is to himself.

The crayfish I have to completely disagree with. The frog is 3 inches long, the crayfish is merely an inch long. His entire claw is as big as the frog's claw is long. The worst he can do is pinch him, if that. He spends 20 hours out of the day completely buried in a tunnel he dug in the substrate under a piece of driftwood, the frog is a free swimmer. They NEVER interact.
10-09-2012 07:39 PM
Michael M
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Oh definitely. I didn't mind that you sounded preachy, better to get yelled at than to screw it all up.

I did my research before mixing the species, I've been in the hobby for decades, so I've made my fair share of mistakes. I also have a tendency to try to make things work that really either shouldn't, or will only work in specific circumstances.

Also...

There's a juvie Map turtle in there with him. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

No worries though. The Turtle's a real sweety, the only thing he bites is me when I'm hand feeding him. He's never caught any fish nor fish fry, and mainly spends his time basking or munching moss. The frog is bigger than the turtle, so no worries there.

Now I understand why he loves foraging in the moss blanket so much.
ACF are bottom dwellers, as are crayfish. They both enjoy the same hiding spots.

One has soft delicate skin, the other has claws and is armored and is predatory.

On top of that there is another predator with hard shell and a viscous bite and will grow quite large in time. It's small and sweet now but we both know it will get large and mother nature will dictate the frog is prey..

All your frog can do is attempt to flee these tank mates, this causes stress, stress eventually leads to premature death.

Well at this point I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. : (
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