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10-07-2012 04:26 PM
Lynke No I know you didn't mean I had too AVN XD it would definitely keep the water cleaner I just don't wanna risk stressing them out or accidentally hurting them.

Monster fish thank you for the plant suggestion. The look is very similar :3

Thank you again guys ^_^ I really appreciate the help. I'll gather up the supplies and post anymore questions if I have them along the way. I will also post up the tank when I set it up.
10-07-2012 06:25 AM
AVN Again, did not say you had to, just a tip for cleaner water.
10-07-2012 05:26 AM
Monster Fish Lilaeopsis maurituis grows slowly in low light. Go with Sagittaria subulata instead if you want a grassy look.

You don't need to transfer them to feed them. All you need to do is throw food in the tank and they will gladly devour it.
10-07-2012 05:12 AM
Lynke I'm not sure what filter I am getting yet. The pet store by me is having a sale for a 20 gallon tank with filter, heater and lighting for 15$. I want to see what kind of filter it is and if its a bad one see if I can talk them into throwing a better one into the deal. Either way the tank alone for 15$s makes me extremely happy XD

Plants I have an interest in are java moss (attached to drift wood), water sprite, narrow leaf micro sword (Lilaeopsis maurituis) and java fern. I especially in love with the look of the narrow leaf micro sword and am happy it seems to meet my requirements. These seem to be easy, hardy plants that I also find attractive. Still doing research to find other options

As for transferring them for feeding im not sure how applicable that is. It's not recommended to handle them much. One of them comes up to me and lets me hand feed him but the other one always lurks at the bottom and I feel it would be to big a stresses on him to catch him.
10-07-2012 04:03 AM
AVN A suggestion for the frog feeding... the same way I feed my turtle.

You can take a small plastic container and fill it with warm water. Transfer your frogs into this and if they're fine with it, you can feed them in there. The warm water also helps them do their business... so they can get all the dirty stuff done outside of the tank before you reintroduce them.
10-07-2012 04:00 AM
AVN Your lighting choice is good, that's what I use personally, except mine's 24 inches.

1. derp

2. I also agree on your filtration, you can use a small filter for this tank to keep it clean as you're stocking it with bioload that is more than a couple of guppies. I also think frogs prefer calmer still waters, so a small filter/pump is in your favor.

3. Please describe to me your ideal plant, as there are many variations of moss and carpeting plants. Have you seen dwarf baby tears? they're pretty cute and they are leafy, so your frogs could easily hide in the carpet when the leaves grow tall enough.
10-07-2012 02:57 AM
Monster Fish You can use Seachem tabs, but Osmocote+ is cheaper in the long run.

Sounds good. I recommend a filter for the tank. An Aquaclear 50 would be great.
10-07-2012 02:46 AM
Lynke Yes AVN that is basically what I am trying to accomplish. However so far I have liked to use a filter... My frogs aren't always the cleanest eaters and I have found blood worms to get particularly messy in the tank >< Should I reconsider using a filter? I would love to hear how you set up your tank and any other help you can give me would be great

Thank you monster fish... Are these the tabs you are talking about?
http://www.seachem.com/Products/prod...urishTabs.html

Here is the setup I was thinking of... I would love to hear opinions on it

Substrate - seacham fluorite on top of diamond black.

Lighting - http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...1#.UHDW0ZG9KSO

Hard scape - drift wood

Plants - java moss, water sprite, undecided

I still have some more planning but I like this lighting a lot better then the other ones I picked before.
10-07-2012 01:34 AM
AVN I have a 10g planted tank. There is no filter, no air pump, no ferts, and no Co2 added at all.

All it has is a small school of guppies for Co2 and Ammonia, medium lights, a circulation pump, and some small snails for algae control.

The plants I have growing in there are thriving, as they're low-light mosses and med-light carpeting plants. I rarely ever do anything to this tank, as it's really just a tank I use for growing undemanding plants like mosses.

I think you are trying to accomplish the same set up I am? If so, I can walk you step by step with everything you need to know.
10-07-2012 01:29 AM
AVN Yeah, you don't need to inject Co2 or dose ferts all the time for plant survival or growth. What I meant was that you definitely need to replace the macro and micro nutrients when they are depleted if you want optimal health and growth of your plants.

If you have an overload of questions, please list them in this thread or in a PM, I will be glad to answer any and all questions I can for you.
10-07-2012 12:41 AM
Monster Fish You don't need CO2 for lush growth. Excel is not fertilizer but a source of organic carbon. Try using root tabs. Just place them deep into the substrate, and watch your plants grow. Replace every 3-4 months or if your plants start to turn yellow/stop growing.

There are plenty of low-tech, planted tanks on the forum. Here's some great examples:
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=99729

And here's a nice looking african clawed frog tank:
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...17&postcount=1
10-07-2012 12:33 AM
Lynke I don't mind fertilizing but I really don't want to go into a c02 set up just yet. Is their any way I any get away with just using fertilizer, but not like everyday? I've seen some people that use flourish excel every day and that just seems like too much. I don't mind fertilizing every week, ideally every two weeks... But every day seems like a real wallet drainer.

I believe the browning occurred due to poor substrate choice, inadequate lighting on top of bad plant choice. I found out one of the plants sold to me was not actually an aquarium plant. From what I have read my gravel is too large and I didn't know I needed to use stuff under the gravel. Basically I just thought it worked like plant, water, go! I didn't realize the vast amount of research I should have done >< I am trying to rectify this.

Ultimately I just want easy to care for tank with hardy plants. If I can't get a carpet with this tank that is okay. I am willing to change my choices to make this as easy as possible. I have seen lots of wonderful tanks on here that require no c02 and little maintenance... This is ultimately what I would love. However as stated before I am more then willing to fertilize. If you have any advice or suggestions for a set up for my 20 gallon and 2 African clawed frogs I would be very happy to listen. Also I only feed live food as my frogs refuse to eat anything else. Their is always blood worms, earth worms, gold fish and guppies in the tank... I was hoping their presence would help provide the plants with what they need.
10-06-2012 08:36 PM
AVN Might I advise you against what you are about to do?

I'm new to the forum, but not new to the hobby. Been in it about 20 years now and I would love to help you figure this all out.

Already I can see some issues that might arise from your set up. You mentioned that you tried planting before, and were met with mass browning. Do you know why this happened?

You also mentioned that you don't want to dose Co2 and avoid mass fertilizing. Is there any way I can change your mind on this?

Planted tanks require both macro and micro nutrients to survive and grow. Two frogs aren't going to provide a 20g filled with plants with enough nutrients to even survive, let alone carpet the floor.
10-06-2012 06:26 PM
Monster Fish That's a 48 inch fixture. Check if Home Depot has some 24 inch shop light fixtures.
10-06-2012 06:19 PM
Lynke Oops sorry both the fixtures look exactly the same so I must have choosen the wrong one

http://www.homedepot.com/Lighting-Fa...1#.UHBljJG9KSN

same price but this one houses two 40 watt T12 bulbs
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