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03-10-2014 04:28 AM
newbieplanter Been useing this method for sometime now 50% WC on Sundays, Nutrient dosing is done following the water change.
Su, Tu, Th: 1 tsp KNO3, 1/8 tsp KH2PO4, 1/4 tsp K2SO4
M, W, F: 10 ml Plantex/iron from a stock solution of 2 tbsp in 500ml water. Since then i have rescaped my tank to mostly anubis from a stocked tank of stems/root feeders an moss, questiin is should i cut back on any of the ferts? Not seeing any algae or anything so i guess i would be doing it to be a cheapskate lol anyway what do u guys think?

This is my tank now.
02-12-2014 04:57 AM
randpost Just checking on some calculator calculations. Assuming I have the right plant density lighting etc. I want to make two bottles with the listed items. Does this seem right?

29g tank

Macro Bottle
Kno3 - 27.25tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - 7.5ppm
KH2P04 - 5.3tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - 1.3ppm
K2S04 - 37.2tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - 7.50ppm

Micro Bottle
Plantex = 17.1tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - .50ppm
Iron 11% = 10.1tsp per 500ml with 5ml doses - .50ppm
02-01-2014 02:06 AM
newbieplanter
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfynyson View Post
I've always heard potassium is what helps strengthen the plants so maybe a little more would help here ? You can have plants not showing visual evidence of K+ deficiencies b/c you have just enough but too little for physical health.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoppy View Post
Many stem plants can survive best if they can break off pieces which drift away to root themselves somewhere else. It is possible that the ones that snap easily are the healthiest. But, it is also possible that the easy breaking is a response to less than good living conditions where they are, which would mean those that snap easily are the least healthy.
I will try both of these methods an post my results the only thing I can think of is doin more water changes per week, as for the ferts I add 2 different potassiums to my tank but as u see 1 u use 1 tsp and the other is a 1/4 tsp I can try n up the 1/4 to 1/2 or 3/4 tsp.
01-31-2014 11:36 PM
Hoppy
Quote:
Originally Posted by newbieplanter View Post
Thought I was done but last question, this is what I'm dosing my 70gal high light tank with the same as this beside the GH booster n bakin soda. All plants are fine an thriving but I do notice that when I grab a stem on accident it actually snaps no bending at all not even a little bit. Can anyone help with what is causing this?
Many stem plants can survive best if they can break off pieces which drift away to root themselves somewhere else. It is possible that the ones that snap easily are the healthiest. But, it is also possible that the easy breaking is a response to less than good living conditions where they are, which would mean those that snap easily are the least healthy.
01-31-2014 05:57 PM
jfynyson
Quote:
Originally Posted by newbieplanter View Post
Thought I was done but last question, this is what I'm dosing my 70gal high light tank with the same as this beside the GH booster n bakin soda. All plants are fine an thriving but I do notice that when I grab a stem on accident it actually snaps no bending at all not even a little bit. Can anyone help with what is causing this?
I've always heard potassium is what helps strengthen the plants so maybe a little more would help here ? You can have plants not showing visual evidence of K+ deficiencies b/c you have just enough but too little for physical health.
01-31-2014 05:19 PM
newbieplanter Thought I was done but last question, this is what I'm dosing my 70gal high light tank with the same as this beside the GH booster n bakin soda. All plants are fine an thriving but I do notice that when I grab a stem on accident it actually snaps no bending at all not even a little bit. Can anyone help with what is causing this?
08-06-2013 02:04 PM
Darkblade48 The way that the article is written, I would interpret it as either 1 tablespoon of iron chelate or 1 tablespoon of CSM+B.

If you want to dose both, then you can add one of each.
08-06-2013 02:09 AM
newbieplanter Question: when mixing the CSM+B and Iron do I use 1 Tbsp of each or 2 of each I'm mixing with 500ml h20.?




Quote:
Originally Posted by WfxXx View Post
For higher light, Co2 enriched tank's that are moderately
to heavy planted.

Add o2 to your tank daily, by either air stone or surface
agitation.

Dry Dosing... Use measuring spoon's found at
most department store's in the utensils section, scoop
appropriate amount and toss in the tank, simple as that!

I use to keep an old travel mug under the tank, and
keep fertilizers in large spice bottles, scoop appropriate
amount into cup, dip in tank, stir and serve.
Tsp=Teaspoon

*Dry Dosing Plantex CSM+B...
Converting 1 tablespoon to 250ml H20,
20 ml = 1/4 teaspoon of dry fertilizer.
There are 12 - 1/4 teaspoons dissolved
250ml/12=20.83ml.

20~40gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x aweek
1/2 Tsp-GH booster once a week
5ml or 1/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
1-2ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

"If dosing a 10gal highlight C02 enriched tank,
divide above regime x2"


40~60gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/2 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/8 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
3/4 Tsp-GH booster once a week
10ml or 1/8Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
2-4ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

60~80gal
50% H20 change-weekly
3/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
3/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
1 Tsp-GH booster once a week
15ml 3/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
4-8ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

Mixing Trace Element and Iron, Plantex CSM+B,
Fe/Iron Chelate 10%- mix 1Tbsp per 250ml water-
one cap full=5ml

Adding Sodium Bicarb/baking soda:
One teaspoon baking soda will increase the kH of
50 liters of water approx. 13 gallons by 4 degrees.

Algae Issue's?
Increase C02, even if you have to use Flourish Excel,
and decrease the light, raise it up off the tank,
burn it less hour's etc, then re-evaluate the C02.

Clean & prune, all the plant's, manually remove as much
algae as you can, good condition's will slow it's growth,
even stop growth, you will need to remove the remaining
algae by hand...

Make sure you're C02 is at optimal condition's.

GDA: Cause-Too much light, reduce intensity

BBA: Add more C02/ Reduce light intensity and or duration.

BGA: add N03 and 02/oxygen.

Fish gasping? 02 Issue's?
Increase surface movement/splash, for night time/lights out,
decrease for opposite, if having 02 issue's surface
movement/splash is good.
So a simple lift of the spray bar or lily pipe to break the
surface will remedy that.

Good article on Biochemical Oxygen Demand

BOD http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/278839-post41.html

'Fertilizers for sale'

http://www.pfertz.com/

http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/

http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aq...ertilizer.html

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



This chart is to be used "ASSUMING" proper lighting levels are
being met. Without adequate lighting, this chart can't help you.
Check your bulbs and other threads on lighting to re-assure that
you have a proper light set-up for whatever method of aquatic
gardening you wish to achieve.

The Green represents growth, in group 1 we see that plant growth
is hindered because Micro nutrients aren't being met. Although all
other demands are given in plentiful amounts, growth is stunted by
the lacking nutrient.

Group2 is meant to demonstrate low amounts of nutrient balance =
slow growth. Lighting will drive the plants to soak up nutrients to no
end. They take and take depending on the intensity of light with no
real control. If you limit the amount of nutrients you place inside the
water column and substrate, you limit their growth, no matter how
long you run your lights.

Group 3 represents maximum growth given that all nutrients are in
abundance within a level tolerable to other inhabitants. The EI
method ensures that all nutrients are provided within tolerable
amounts to fauna, as well as a bit excess for flora, all excess is
removed with a water change every week.

Credit to Sarge for graph and text.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An example of dosing 3x a week on my 46g tank,
This is what I do.

Sunday-----Day1)Prune,Preen,Clean glass inside, 50% or more H20
change, vac/sub, 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8-ish/Tsp-KH2P04,1/8Tsp-K2S04,
clean glass on outside.
Monday-----Day2) 10ml Trace, 2ml-Fe
Tuesday----Day3) 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8ish/Tsp-KH2P04,1/8Tsp-K2S04.
Wednesday-Day4) See day2
Thursday---Day5) See day3
Friday------Day6) See day2
Saturday---Day7) Nothing or prune, or walk the dog etc.
Sunday-----Day8) See day1

Thank you cbennet for the handout you made available
to the public during your presentation at a local meeting...Kudo's!
This can either be printed directly off the screen, or
you can drag and drop it to your desktop for printing.
07-09-2013 10:54 PM
Darkblade48
Quote:
Originally Posted by germanyt View Post
My question before I do so is whether this is a world class planted tank fert regimen or just a 'pretty good but you've got a lot to learn' regimen.

This is what I plan on for my 25T under a dual T5HO 24" and 30ppm co2.

20~40gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x aweek
1/2 Tsp-GH booster once a week
5ml or 1/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
1-2ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week
This looks like your standard Estimative Index (EI) dosing regimen, so it should be fine.

Of course, as with any fertilization regimen, it only serves as a basis for dosing, and you can always tweak them to suit your needs.
07-09-2013 05:28 PM
germanyt OK so I've read lots here and am planning on ordering all my ferts from GLA in the next couple days. My question before I do so is whether this is a world class planted tank fert regimen or just a 'pretty good but you've got a lot to learn' regimen. I reckon sinced I'm getting my new light next week and will add pressurized co2 shortly thereafter (currently on DIY) I will take the 3rd step toward a very heavily planted tank and fertilize properly.

This is what I plan on for my 25T under a dual T5HO 24" and 30ppm co2.

20~40gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x aweek
1/2 Tsp-GH booster once a week
5ml or 1/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
1-2ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week
07-01-2013 02:37 AM
newbieplanter
Quote:
Originally Posted by newbieplanter View Post
When dosing the GH booster or Baking Soda 1x a week/water change am I aiming for a range of 120-180ppm or something depending on the tank size, how many plants etc?
HELLO IS ANYONE OUT THERE? BUMP to the head
06-15-2013 07:53 PM
newbieplanter When dosing the GH booster or Baking Soda 1x a week/water change am I aiming for a range of 120-180ppm or something depending on the tank size, how many plants etc?




Quote:
Originally Posted by WfxXx View Post
For higher light, Co2 enriched tank's that are moderately
to heavy planted.

Add o2 to your tank daily, by either air stone or surface
agitation.

Dry Dosing... Use measuring spoon's found at
most department store's in the utensils section, scoop
appropriate amount and toss in the tank, simple as that!

I use to keep an old travel mug under the tank, and
keep fertilizers in large spice bottles, scoop appropriate
amount into cup, dip in tank, stir and serve.
Tsp=Teaspoon

*Dry Dosing Plantex CSM+B...
Converting 1 tablespoon to 250ml H20,
20 ml = 1/4 teaspoon of dry fertilizer.
There are 12 - 1/4 teaspoons dissolved
250ml/12=20.83ml.

20~40gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x aweek
1/2 Tsp-GH booster once a week
5ml or 1/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
1-2ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

"If dosing a 10gal highlight C02 enriched tank,
divide above regime x2"


40~60gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/2 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/8 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
3/4 Tsp-GH booster once a week
10ml or 1/8Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
2-4ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

60~80gal
50% H20 change-weekly
3/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
3/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
1 Tsp-GH booster once a week
15ml 3/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
4-8ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

Mixing Trace Element and Iron, Plantex CSM+B,
Fe/Iron Chelate 10%- mix 1Tbsp per 250ml water-
one cap full=5ml

Adding Sodium Bicarb/baking soda:
One teaspoon baking soda will increase the kH of
50 liters of water approx. 13 gallons by 4 degrees.

Algae Issue's?
Increase C02, even if you have to use Flourish Excel,
and decrease the light, raise it up off the tank,
burn it less hour's etc, then re-evaluate the C02.

Clean & prune, all the plant's, manually remove as much
algae as you can, good condition's will slow it's growth,
even stop growth, you will need to remove the remaining
algae by hand...

Make sure you're C02 is at optimal condition's.

GDA: Cause-Too much light, reduce intensity

BBA: Add more C02/ Reduce light intensity and or duration.

BGA: add N03 and 02/oxygen.

Fish gasping? 02 Issue's?
Increase surface movement/splash, for night time/lights out,
decrease for opposite, if having 02 issue's surface
movement/splash is good.
So a simple lift of the spray bar or lily pipe to break the
surface will remedy that.

Good article on Biochemical Oxygen Demand

BOD http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/278839-post41.html

'Fertilizers for sale'

http://www.pfertz.com/

http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/

http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aq...ertilizer.html

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



This chart is to be used "ASSUMING" proper lighting levels are
being met. Without adequate lighting, this chart can't help you.
Check your bulbs and other threads on lighting to re-assure that
you have a proper light set-up for whatever method of aquatic
gardening you wish to achieve.

The Green represents growth, in group 1 we see that plant growth
is hindered because Micro nutrients aren't being met. Although all
other demands are given in plentiful amounts, growth is stunted by
the lacking nutrient.

Group2 is meant to demonstrate low amounts of nutrient balance =
slow growth. Lighting will drive the plants to soak up nutrients to no
end. They take and take depending on the intensity of light with no
real control. If you limit the amount of nutrients you place inside the
water column and substrate, you limit their growth, no matter how
long you run your lights.

Group 3 represents maximum growth given that all nutrients are in
abundance within a level tolerable to other inhabitants. The EI
method ensures that all nutrients are provided within tolerable
amounts to fauna, as well as a bit excess for flora, all excess is
removed with a water change every week.

Credit to Sarge for graph and text.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An example of dosing 3x a week on my 46g tank,
This is what I do.

Sunday-----Day1)Prune,Preen,Clean glass inside, 50% or more H20
change, vac/sub, 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8-ish/Tsp-KH2P04,1/8Tsp-K2S04,
clean glass on outside.
Monday-----Day2) 10ml Trace, 2ml-Fe
Tuesday----Day3) 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8ish/Tsp-KH2P04,1/8Tsp-K2S04.
Wednesday-Day4) See day2
Thursday---Day5) See day3
Friday------Day6) See day2
Saturday---Day7) Nothing or prune, or walk the dog etc.
Sunday-----Day8) See day1

Thank you cbennet for the handout you made available
to the public during your presentation at a local meeting...Kudo's!
This can either be printed directly off the screen, or
you can drag and drop it to your desktop for printing.
06-13-2013 12:31 AM
newbieplanter This helps me a lot now I have something to follow only my tank is 70gal but its custom so I might be alright plus I got more light an run a little longer well ill see what happens in a few weeks. Thanks





Quote:
Originally Posted by Tacoshooter View Post
Thought I'd add my two cents in because I've finally locked in my 75 gallon to the point where I think the dosing is stable and plants are thriving. Maybe someone else can use this.

This tank has pressurized CO2 and 324W of T5 lighting, which is kept on for 8.5 hours each day. Filtration is through a Eheim 2126 and a 2213 (which is used for water current and a utility filter, i.e. UV but normally run empty). A Pinpoint controller is used 24/7 for CO2 regulation (calibration checked bi-weekly).

Plant load is heavy with a number of stems, although there is quite a bit of slower-growing plants like blyxa japonica.

Input water is 100% RO, due to the fact that our water both fluctuates and is basically liquid rock. With the controller involved, I like to be very certain of my parameters. With all that said, here's what I do/dose:
  • 50% WC on Sundays, RO water rebuilt with 1 tsp. Barr's GH Booster and 1/2 tsp of baking soda. Nutrient dosing is done following the water change.
  • Su, Tu, Th: 1 tsp KNO3, 1/8 tsp KH2PO4, 10 ml Excel.
  • M, W, F: 10 ml Plantex from a stock solution of 2 tbsp in 500 ml of water.

Certainly nothing groundbreaking, but I hope this helps someone. I also try to actively remove any dead or dying leaves, or anything afflicted with algae.
06-05-2013 02:53 AM
newbieplanter Besides buying ferts from known dealers, if I got ferts from a person who had planted tanks how can I tell with no labels on tha bags which is which?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Georgiadawgger View Post
Good stuff...my hand was getting tired too from typing that all the time. The plantex CSM recipe is also important for folks to understand here.

It seems as though most people have been mixing 1 TABLEspoon with 250 ml of water or double that (2 TBS in 500 ml). That may work fine for most. At times I wish I were still in school to "borrow" a little bit of HCl.

Personally, I always end up with a mold in my bottle even though I put it in the fridge so I mix 1/2 TABLE with 250 ml of water and dose DOUBLE the required amount. So....in my 65 g tank I would dose 20 mL a day instead of 10.
I noticed that when this was written/typed the use of K2SO4 wasn't used in any of the tanks in the first instructions GH booster was used but the ones near the end of the original post shows the use of it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by prasantkmrs View Post
i have a solution of 80 gm of csm+b into 500 ml water ,what should be the EI dosing for my 220 liter tank
I see your still waiting for answers too, are your plants still alive or did u go get flourish which might be easier to get answers from? LOL

I'm with u on that

Quote:
Originally Posted by dr3ww3rd View Post
I am trying to figure out how much of the ferts I should dose on my 5.5 gallon tank with 24w pc and diy co2. Does the schedule I have look right? If so what amounts should I dose?

Sunday - 50% water change then dose GH Booster and Excel
Monday - KNO3, KH2PO4, Excel
Tuesday - Flourish, Excel
Wednesday - KNO3, KH2PO4, Excel
Thursday - Flourish, Excel
Friday - KNO3, KH2PO4, Excel
Saturday - Flourish, Excel

....I am beyond confused with all the ppm and what amount to dose etc..etc..etc..
I just mix all dry ferts an dose 3x a week an I use a 1/4 tsp of CSM-B and 1/4 Iron
70gal
4 bulb T5 set up 10" off the top of my tank
Pressurized CO2 drop checker liquid is light green
5 B rainbows
6 ots
8 corys
About 10-14 tetra red eye,black mix
10-14 amanos

Java fern,rotala C. n Bangladesh, mosses, 2-3 swords small size, Anubis, dwarf sag, japonica,
05-29-2013 08:54 PM
prasantkmrs i have a solution of 80 gm of csm+b into 500 ml water ,what should be the EI dosing for my 220 liter tank
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