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Today 12:39 PM
Viper
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Originally Posted by JavaMossBlues View Post
Interesting, thanks for the information. I think that if I do end up going the pressurized route I may still use a paintball tank, but use a full sized regulator with a Aquatek CGA320 to Paintball Adapter.

Space constrains limit my tank options, but the worry of pressure levels makes me think a regulator with a quality needle valve would be a better investment.

All I can find our setups that have built in solenoids. Can someone PM a link to a good setup similar to the Paintball setups from Aquatek that doesn't have the Solenoid. I don't care to have it shutting on and off and I'm starting to max out on electric and would like to plan on it just running 24.7.

No problem.

I'm not sure of other manufacturers that make paintball tank regulators, but Aquatek makes one that you don't need an adapter for.

Amazon.com : AQUATEK CO2 Regulator Mini : Paintball Regulator : Pet Supplies Amazon.com : AQUATEK CO2 Regulator Mini : Paintball Regulator : Pet Supplies

Also, a solenoid doesn't necessarily mean that you have to have it turning off and on. You still need to hook that solenoid up to a timer to get that on/off cycle. If you just plug it straight into an outlet it'll run 24/7.
Today 01:19 AM
JavaMossBlues
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Originally Posted by Viper View Post
I tried it and couldn't get a consistent bubble rate. But then again I didn't have a true ASA on/off valve.

I also think the key to keeping that consistent bubble rate is a quality needle valve. I got the cheapo one from Home Depot and for one, it's really hard to make micro adjustments.

The issue is that a quality needle valve can start running you around $50 which makes this less of a cost-saving method.
Interesting, thanks for the information. I think that if I do end up going the pressurized route I may still use a paintball tank, but use a full sized regulator with a Aquatek CGA320 to Paintball Adapter.

Space constrains limit my tank options, but the worry of pressure levels makes me think a regulator with a quality needle valve would be a better investment.

All I can find our setups that have built in solenoids. Can someone PM a link to a good setup similar to the Paintball setups from Aquatek that doesn't have the Solenoid. I don't care to have it shutting on and off and I'm starting to max out on electric and would like to plan on it just running 24.7.
Yesterday 06:57 PM
Viper
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Originally Posted by Matt47890 View Post
Interesting how many bubbles per second were you running?
Didn't really have a set amount, but enough to get my drop checker green. I'd have to constantly adjust the flow though because of the inability of my setup to keep a consistent flow. If I had to guess I'd say about 2.5-3 bubbles per second was enough to achieve that green drop checker.

But at that rate, even my 24oz. paintball tank would need to be refilled every month to month and a half.
Yesterday 06:38 PM
Matt47890 Interesting how many bubbles per second were you running?
Yesterday 06:37 PM
Viper
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Did you see any improvement in plant growth?
Definitely. My crypt has exploded. My Anubias constantly has oxygen bubbles on the underside of its leaves and has grown a ton of new roots.

However, that fluctuating co2 flow has also caused a pretty big explosion of algae as well. I was fighting a losing battle with the algae using the paintball co2 method described in this thread (still am sadly).

I've only had a fully pressurized, non-paintball co2 system for about a week now. However, my bubble rate is definitely consistent.
Yesterday 06:31 PM
Matt47890 Did you see any improvement in plant growth?
Yesterday 05:39 PM
Viper
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Originally Posted by JavaMossBlues View Post
So is this still a viable option? I've heard differing reports on whether this is safe or not.

I'm sure the definite answer is somewhere in this thread but I've read the first thirty pages and it looked good, but the last few pages have me worried about it again.

Anyone have long term facts?
I tried it and couldn't get a consistent bubble rate. But then again I didn't have a true ASA on/off valve.

I also think the key to keeping that consistent bubble rate is a quality needle valve. I got the cheapo one from Home Depot and for one, it's really hard to make micro adjustments.

The issue is that a quality needle valve can start running you around $50 which makes this less of a cost-saving method.
Yesterday 02:25 AM
JavaMossBlues So is this still a viable option? I've heard differing reports on whether this is safe or not.

I'm sure the definite answer is somewhere in this thread but I've read the first thirty pages and it looked good, but the last few pages have me worried about it again.

Anyone have long term facts?
01-27-2015 08:15 PM
Viper
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Originally Posted by zerodameaon View Post
You don't hydro the 20oz, you toss them in the recycling and go buy a new one. The cost of a rehydro easily exceeds the price of a brand new tank.
01-27-2015 07:29 PM
Matt47890 I appreciate it guys thanks for the info
01-27-2015 07:28 PM
zerodameaon
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Originally Posted by Matt47890 View Post
Someone was saying you don't on the 20oz ones
You don't hydro the 20oz, you toss them in the recycling and go buy a new one. The cost of a rehydro easily exceeds the price of a brand new tank.
01-27-2015 06:05 PM
Viper
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Interesting so for that bigger tank what would I need to be up and running
The general consensus on a setup goes like Co2 canister, regulator, needle valve, bubble counter, Co2-rated tubing, check valve(s), diffuser of some sort, drop checker (or if budget allows for it, a pH controller).

It really depends on what you're trying to accomplish though.
01-27-2015 05:14 PM
Matt47890
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ALL refillable Co2 tanks must be hydro tested every "X" amount of years. Locally where I'm at, it's every 5 years. I'm not sure if that varies state by state.

This test is to make sure the canister is structurally sound and can withstand the forces exerted by a pressurized gas. A tank that fails can have lethal consequences.
Interesting so for that bigger tank what would I need to be up and running
01-27-2015 01:17 PM
Viper
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Originally Posted by Matt47890 View Post
Someone was saying you don't on the 20oz ones
ALL refillable Co2 tanks must be hydro tested every "X" amount of years. Locally where I'm at, it's every 5 years. I'm not sure if that varies state by state.

This test is to make sure the canister is structurally sound and can withstand the forces exerted by a pressurized gas. A tank that fails can have lethal consequences.
01-26-2015 06:28 PM
Matt47890 Someone was saying you don't on the 20oz ones
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