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02-12-2012 02:49 AM
Fishly Sorry about the lack of updates. This tank got really out of whack and I had to create a separate thread to get some help about them, so I started updating that thread instead of this journal.

My light is a Hagen GLO T5HO 2 x 54w light; equal to over 4 WPG. I've been told that one 2 x 54w T5HO would be enough to give this tank medium light, so definitely in the "high to super-high" range.

I did stop dosing the extra ferts. Then, I removed the substrate and switched to pure soil. The plants look even worse than they did before. I'm going to be extremely busy this week, but I'll try to get some new pictures of the tank.
02-03-2012 04:17 AM
biogenetic40379 how much light do you have? did you stop dosing so much fert? maybe try just misting them with treated tap water once or twice a day
01-16-2012 07:12 AM
Fishly As always, any help or suggestions for this tank would be appreciated. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong here. I really want to know what is causing my plants to melt. And plant IDs would help a lot.
01-16-2012 07:08 AM
Fishly January 13th
Tank from left to right:

Swords from different angles:

January 15th (Last night)
Tiny green plant (mold? fungus? air algae? alien herb? ) growing near the middle melting plant:

One of the bulbs sent up a flower (I think- it doesn't really look like a lotus flower):

01-16-2012 06:44 AM
Fishly Edit: Ha ha, double ninja'd! I'm pretty sure the cap is supposed to be thicker than 3/4", and I've read several times that swords need a deep substrate of about 3", so that's what I did.

January 3rd - You can see the holes in the sand where I added some RootMedic balls.
Tank from left to right:

Close-up of the swords:

My two favorite plants:

The bulbs have actual leaves now!

Anubias and crypts:

January 8th
Progress of deficiencies: Slow but sure... *sigh*

01-16-2012 06:01 AM
Alyssa Had to go and check, and in the stickied thread for "How to do MTS" it says this:

Step 9 – Top With Gravel

Cover the mud with more of the same border gravel from step 6. If you skipped step 6 then simply cover over the mud with the gravel of your choice. Cover the mud by about 1” in the front to 2” in the back of the tank to create a nice sloping substrate effect.
Now I didn't do a slope, but instead did 1-1/2 to 2 inch cap across the whole thing and I have been wondering if it's going to go anaerobic on me, as if stick something down into it here and there I get lots of bubbles ...

So are those directions wrong then???
01-16-2012 05:56 AM
Originally Posted by cableguy69846 View Post
You will only need about a half inch to three quarters to adequately cap the dirt. Any more than that and you will get the anaerobic areas..
Hmmm I thought the directions on the MTS thread said 1-2 inches for a cap!

Did I then make my MTS cap too thick??
01-16-2012 05:49 AM
Fishly The heater isn't plugged in; it's just sitting there because I haven't pulled it out yet. When I start a new tank, I put all the hardware I plan to use on it in or around the tank, so I can see at a glance what I still need to get. It often takes me a long time to set up a tank, and simply checking something off a list isn't as satisfying as actually putting it on the tank.


I haven't updated in a while, so here are just some pics of the plants, from oldest to newest. I'm going to separate them into two or three posts to make it easier for me to keep them organized. And I took these new camera, so if some of the pics seem dark or out of focus, it's because I'm still figuring out how to use it.

December 30th (or thereabouts):
Bulb Growth

No idea what this is, but when it's healthy, it's one of my favorites.

Shots of the left half of the tank:

Close-ups of the swords on the right side of the tank:

The hairgrass is beginning to recover. I'm not so sure it's DHG 'Belem'. In my submersed 2.5g, it has grown to 3" tall.

Miscellaneous deficiencies:

01-03-2012 01:38 AM
secuono I gotta ask, why is that heater just sitting on the sand?? I thought they HAD to be submersed so they don't over heat. I also don't get what the heater even does, no fish to keep warm and it can't be heating the sand enough to keep the plants warm...
12-20-2011 10:37 AM
Fishly I measured the substrate with a ruler, turns out I seriously overestimated the depth. It's 2.5" in front, and about 4-4.5" in back. Is that okay?

This tank has had a rough week. Some of the plants were looking bad, so I adjusted the ferts again. My original logic was that I should only put in enough powdered ferts to "dose" the quart-size bottle, since the fert to water ratio in the spray would end up being the same as if I were dosing a filled 55g. I thought there might be some kind of deficiency in the plants, so I increased the amount, as I said in my last update.

All of the plants started getting little brown spots and some leaves were melting from the tips inward. So I separated the ferts into two bottles (one each for macro and micro), thinking that maybe mixing the macros and micros was the problem. And since the droplets only partially covered each plant, and since I thought some of the fert spray might be diluted when it dripped into the substrate, I thought the plants weren't getting enough, and put enough in each bottle to dose a 100g tank.

Within 48 hours, the plants were noticeably worse. I was rereading my plant deficiency chart, trying desperately to figure out what was wrong, when I noticed what it said about K toxicity. It was then that increasing the ferts, especially when I already had soil and root tabs in the tank, seemed like a bad idea. I flooded the tank with five gallons of water, let it sit for most of the day to let the ferts leach from the sand into the water, then drained it again. I then trimmed some of the worst leaves, and have since left the tank alone.

It was so horrible to have to cut off the little baby leaves of my beautiful plants.

That was about three days ago and the plants don't really seem to be recovering. Some of them have put out new leaves, but many of them have brown spots/edges and others (A. nana Petite and C. parva) have some yellow leaves. I might need to flood the tank again.

Anyway, here's what the tank looked like when it was at its worst (because I know you're all dying to see, right?):

What is this plant?

Some good news: the bulbs seem to be very happy. All but one or two have sprouted.
12-10-2011 04:15 AM
Originally Posted by Fishly View Post
I guess I could move the crypts, but I don't think my DHG 'Belem' would make it. Most of it is brown.
It would be worth a shot. It could be that the roots on the DHG are not getting any nutrients, or it is acclimating to emergent growth.
12-10-2011 04:12 AM
Fishly I guess I could move the crypts, but I don't think my DHG 'Belem' would make it. Most of it is brown.
12-10-2011 03:21 AM
cableguy69846 Now would be the best time to uproot them and remove some sand. Those crypt roots will get huge, and then you will have a hard time getting them out. You will only need about a half inch to three quarters to adequately cap the dirt. Any more than that and you will get the anaerobic areas.

Going to follow along on this. I can't wait to see where it goes.
12-10-2011 02:08 AM
Fishly Update: The bulb stem in the last few pics has broken the surface of the water! It seems to be growing at least half an inch per day. There's also a little fly or moth flying around in the tank. Poor, confused little critter...

Unfortunately, no pics right now. My sister's using the camera until Sunday.
12-09-2011 07:15 PM
Fishly Yes, I am spraying them every day. The plants actually seem to have perked up with the extra ferts. I was using a very weak solution up until last night. I've only had the plants in there for 13 days now and they were all in submersed growth form when they arrived, so I think they're just adjusting to emersed life.

I agree that the substrate is too deep, but I don't want to disturb the plants right now, since they're still putting roots down. I'm afraid that if I uproot them all to take out some sand, it will kill them.
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