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01-10-2012 03:53 PM
jahmic I've been MIA for quite a while now...life got extremely busy (read: girlfriend -> ex -> next), and I lost both of my computers to a power surge last spring. Been tempted to post updates from work, and think I just might start doing that since that's the only computer access I currently have.

So, the quick rundown of the tank goes something like this:

I struggled with lighting in that tank. A lot. All those beautiful pics were how the tank looked when I set it up, because TPT members sent me some beautiful plants. I was able to keep them alive in the tank for 3-5 months, but had little to no new growth for the most part. All these threads I hear of people with CO2 having to trim constantly, and it was pretty rare that I had to trim anything in the tank...aside from the moss carpet. Definitely a disappointing venture. I tried numerous different lighting setups (the popular home-depot desk lamps, adding a coralife 10w under the hood, etc), and none of them seemed to make a difference. Slowly, but surely, I ended up losing almost all the plants in that setup.

Roots just never really developed, and no matter how consistently I dosed and kept the CO2 running...everything just kinda stayed in "suspended animation" with very minimal growth. Eventually I think one of my lighting setups introduced too much light to the setup, and I caused a quick deficiency in the tank which led me to lose most of the flora. Iron may have been one of the culprits, as I was wary of dosing with the shrimp. At one point, in a last-ditch effort to save things by addressing something other than lighting, I actually attempted to dose some additional iron and noticed a significant die-off in my shrimp within a week.

That made my D. darios pretty unhappy as they were snacking on the shrimp fry. Although they would eat bloodworms, they became pretty listless once the live food supply was gone, and I lost them as well

So yea...basically bad news all around on the first attempt with this tank. I still have one of the danio erythromicrons in the tank...the alpha basically bullied the remainder of the shoal and he's now in there with a few threadfin rainbows. I'm going to redo the tank at some point this winter. Right now there are some java fern and an anubias living among a rock garden in a low tech tank...not much to look at tbh. I have a dual stage CO2 regulator that's been sitting for quite some time, and although I'm tempted to get a zoo-med canister and run a better CO2 system with improved surface agitation in the tank for the fish...I just don't think it's worth it considering the lighting issues I had with the setup. I've seen some people make it work with this tank, but I'd rather not sink more money into equipment for another sub-par setup.

Kinda torn though...really thought I could get this to work, and I'd like to make another attempt at a planted fluval edge. But, I'm leaning towards just getting some black quartz sand, creating an interesting layout with some of my leftover seiryu stone, and get some shell-dwellers in there.

If it's any consolation...my riparium has been doing wonderfully (photo-bomb coming within the week). I've been having to experiment with the riparium plants, the water level, and lighting...but it's been very productive and EXTREMELY easy in comparison. If I DO make the edge into another planted tank, it'll be low tech for sure.

For now, this project is definitely on hold while I just keep the fish happy and figure out what to do :/
08-21-2011 12:08 AM
2in10 Beautiful tank, very well done congrats
08-21-2011 12:02 AM
Rockhoe14er update. Also i'm getting a fluval edge so i want to hear all the tips that you have so that my tank can look as good as yours.
04-14-2011 05:49 AM
Noahma
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I see taking these plants out as a potential excuse to start building another tank...

Im thinking a Fluval Flora? lol I might pick one up after the auction if I dont get anything there lol.

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So...apparently my Danio erythromicrons are REALLY good at hiding. First I thought I lost 3...then figured I lost 2. Turns out I actually only lost 1 as I just accounted for all 5 of them at out in the open at once.

I ran into a little issue last week with one of them, took him out and placed him in the hospital tank. It looks like he developed an impaction...maybe a bacterial infection. Since I wasn't sure, I decided to QT him, raise the temp, and add salt. The swelling around the belly is definitely going down, and he's still active...just not swimming all that well at times. The other 4 are still in the nano and aren't showing any signs of infection...neither are the pair of D. dario.

I've read that frozen bloodworms can be rough on the digestive systems of smaller fish. I diced them up into small pieces, but am thinking that is still what may have caused the impaction in this one fish. I'm back to feeding bloodworms once a week, and frozen cyclops on the other days...just to be safe. They go absolutely crazy over the bloodworms though...the male D. erythromicrons immediately start dancing with each other, as do the D. dario.

I'll try to get some pics up soon...all of my fauna have really began developing some great color since adding them to the tank. My 2 berried female RCS seem to have successfully bred, as there are baby shrimp hiding in the moss...I can usually count no less than 4 or 5 at a time right up against the front glass. Very promising...especially considering that they're berried again!

All the plants seem to be rebounding after the ich treatment...the ludwigia is surprisingly the slowest to bounce back though. I did some major trimming to them a couple weeks ago though, and they've been putting out new leaves since then. I think my biggest mistake was running the airstone at night after the ich treatment...I could never get my CO2 dialed in properly. I had a tiny algae bloom, which is now gone...and am back to just running the CO2 24/7. The fish seem OK with it, and I've noticed an immediate difference in growth on the ludwigia.
The danio's are VERY VERY good at hiding. I have 8 in my 10 gal, and I rarely see more than 4 at a time. I know they are all in there. I also have 2 Dario Dario and man they have a ton of personality for such small fish. I personally like the Cross banded danio's more than the CPD's.
04-14-2011 03:27 AM
jeffvmd One of the great looking edge out here. I like the jungle-ey look.
I kinda miss my planted edge but its happy having salt in it now.
04-14-2011 12:47 AM
jahmic So...apparently my Danio erythromicrons are REALLY good at hiding. First I thought I lost 3...then figured I lost 2. Turns out I actually only lost 1 as I just accounted for all 5 of them at out in the open at once.

I ran into a little issue last week with one of them, took him out and placed him in the hospital tank. It looks like he developed an impaction...maybe a bacterial infection. Since I wasn't sure, I decided to QT him, raise the temp, and add salt. The swelling around the belly is definitely going down, and he's still active...just not swimming all that well at times. The other 4 are still in the nano and aren't showing any signs of infection...neither are the pair of D. dario.

I've read that frozen bloodworms can be rough on the digestive systems of smaller fish. I diced them up into small pieces, but am thinking that is still what may have caused the impaction in this one fish. I'm back to feeding bloodworms once a week, and frozen cyclops on the other days...just to be safe. They go absolutely crazy over the bloodworms though...the male D. erythromicrons immediately start dancing with each other, as do the D. dario.

I'll try to get some pics up soon...all of my fauna have really began developing some great color since adding them to the tank. My 2 berried female RCS seem to have successfully bred, as there are baby shrimp hiding in the moss...I can usually count no less than 4 or 5 at a time right up against the front glass. Very promising...especially considering that they're berried again!

All the plants seem to be rebounding after the ich treatment...the ludwigia is surprisingly the slowest to bounce back though. I did some major trimming to them a couple weeks ago though, and they've been putting out new leaves since then. I think my biggest mistake was running the airstone at night after the ich treatment...I could never get my CO2 dialed in properly. I had a tiny algae bloom, which is now gone...and am back to just running the CO2 24/7. The fish seem OK with it, and I've noticed an immediate difference in growth on the ludwigia.
03-30-2011 01:25 AM
jahmic Had these guys in my QT tank for a couple weeks and decided to introduce them over the weekend. They've been doing great the entire time...definitely think they were happy to get in something better than a bare-bottom tank


Dario dario







Picked up 2 males from the lfs. At first I was worried about adding 2 males to the tank, but was assured that they'd be fine aside from the occasional chasing and dancing around the tank. So far so good. They've definitely established their own territories already, and it's pretty interesting to watch them "fight" over the unclaimed (for now) space in the center of the tank. They danced for a good 5 minutes the other day, and almost mirrored each other as they flashed from side to side...so fun to watch.

Another "fun" thing to watch is them hunting for food in the moss. I've witnessed a few baby shrimp almost get preyed upon...but they usually scoot out of the way pretty quickly. Those things are so fast it looks like they blink / teleport across the tank to avoid the D. dario, haha. I did witness one baby RCS actually end up in a Dario's mouth. He tried chewing...realized it was too big, and spit the poor, stunned RCS back out. I'm sure they'll effect the growth of the colony, but it's not like they're going to decimate the population at all. I'm happy with the addition for sure.
03-30-2011 12:58 AM
jahmic So...a bit of good news. I actually only lost 2 of my D. erythromicrons to Ich. One I never noticed, assuming he was shrimp food. The other one I witnessed suffocate a couple days into treatment

I assumed I initially lost 2, followed by the third. But, a couple days ago I SWORE that I counted 4 of them hiding in my stems, and today while feeding I was finally able to spot them all at the same time. I don't feel so bad now

This is going to sound crazy, but the day I first noticed potentially 4 fish being in the tank was immediately after I "saved" one of my fish. I was trimming the plants, and replanting some blyxa trimmings when I noticed a fin sticking out from between my filter and diffuser. I looked closer and saw a poor fish sitting vertically between the (huge) filter sponge and the diffuser...as soon as I pulled the diffuser away, he quickly swam away. Is it seriously possible that he had been trapped there for over a week and somehow survived? I want to chalk it up to coincidence that I was able to count 4 fish about 3 hrs after that happened...because I'm seriously doubting that he could've survived that predicament for so long. But...I had scoured the tank and only counted 3 numerous times up until that point. Hmmm...

The previously trapped fish has been doing well otherwise...eating constantly and slowly getting his color back each day.

Glad he survived...but if he was seriously trapped there for a week I'd feel HORRIBLE.
03-25-2011 02:56 AM
jahmic Here are some new pics of the tank.

Post-treatment deficiencies in the Ludwigia :



new leaf on the anubias that appeared mid-treatment:



You can see the curled newer leaves on the Blyxa here...the were translucent a couple days ago, starting to get their color back pretty quickly now:



Some decent tank shots. Sorry, was too lazy to get the flash and tripod out...blurry pics, but you get the idea:







I'm really liking the frogbit. And, definitely thinking that the anubias and cryptocoryne will be coming out soon. I may end up having to find them a new home so I can deter myself from getting another tank.

I started running an airstone just before lights out up until about 1.5hrs before they come back on. Still trying to get the CO2 dialed in with the airstone at night...the drop checker was dark green and still had a bluish tint at the end of the photoperiod today. I opened up the needle valve slightly (about a 30% increase) and will see how things look tomorrow.

I'm really not finding it possible to fill the tank all the way to the top glass with the CO2 running. I dunno if/how others accomplished it with this tank, but as much as the HOB is able to agitate that small exposed area under the hood, it's just not getting enough O2 in my tank. Tried it a few days ago, kept a close eye on the fish, and they were gasping for air and swimming around the tank frantically (when they usually hide for hours) within 2.5 hours. CO2 definitely was probably about 15-20ppm at the time.

Oh well...I'll trade aesthetic appeal for happy fish.
03-24-2011 03:20 AM
Rockhoe14er haha. I have the same problem.
03-24-2011 02:49 AM
jahmic I see taking these plants out as a potential excuse to start building another tank...

03-24-2011 02:35 AM
Rockhoe14er
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Oh...and I'm in the need of opinions.

I should probably take new pictures first...but I'm thinking about removing the anubias and the cryptocoryne to allow the Blyxa to grow in a little bit more in those corners...and give the tank some more depth.

At first, I liked the big broad leaves up front, but I feel like it's "shrinking" the size of the tank a bit. Love the plants...but I think I'd enjoy the tank more if they weren't there. I'm also pretty sure the shy Danios would appreciate some more thick coverage up front; the seem to enjoy weaving between the leaves of the Blyxa and popping out here and there.

Thoughts? I'm thinking it would help bring more focus to the "valley" effect that I was trying to create with the current scape.

I think that's a good decision.
03-24-2011 01:09 AM
jahmic Oh...and I'm in the need of opinions.

I should probably take new pictures first...but I'm thinking about removing the anubias and the cryptocoryne to allow the Blyxa to grow in a little bit more in those corners...and give the tank some more depth.

At first, I liked the big broad leaves up front, but I feel like it's "shrinking" the size of the tank a bit. Love the plants...but I think I'd enjoy the tank more if they weren't there. I'm also pretty sure the shy Danios would appreciate some more thick coverage up front; the seem to enjoy weaving between the leaves of the Blyxa and popping out here and there.

Thoughts? I'm thinking it would help bring more focus to the "valley" effect that I was trying to create with the current scape.
03-24-2011 01:05 AM
jahmic Been a while since I updated...

Ich
....is gone

I did end up losing 3 of my Danio though (edit, only lost 1...they just hide really well)...I sadly watched one succumbed to low O2 levels due to what seemed to be damaged gills from the ich infestation. The other 3 were doing fine...I noticed that one gasping on and off and figured it may only be a matter of time...I was right.

All the fauna are doing well, eating regularly...and no visible signs of ich for almost 2 weeks now...I ended treatment on Saturday. The 3 remaining danio are starting to get a bit more curious/brave. They poke out the ludwigia every so often...and will even stay out if they see me near the tank now...as long as I don't move any closer, lol.

Flora condition

I should've taken pics this past weekend, at the end of the ich treatment. I had basically stopped dosing ferts, cut back on the light, and was running an airstone 24/7...which led to very low CO2. The stems were definitely showing signs of deficiencies...curled up new growth, spotting, etc. Surprisingly, the cryptocoryne and anubias actually started putting out new leaves during the ich treatment. The blyxa didn't do too bad...a bit of melting, and the new growth was very translucent/white.

Everything has been bouncing back though, started fertilizing again on Monday after getting the CO2 back up gradually on Sunday. The rotala already has 1"+ new growth on all the stems, and the ludwigia is starting to send out new leaves and uncurl the ones that were looking bad during the treatment. Also added some more frogbit to the tank...all the fauna is definitely appreciating the extra coverage...it has been growing quickly, sending out runners and new plants all week. I just added it last week...some of the larger leaves are dying off as runners are being sent out, but I'm guessing that's normal.

Lighting

The frogbit also helped my lighting situation. Since I decided that the lighting issue in the tank was due to distribution rather than intensity...I added a second desk lamp. Having 1 lamp over the center of the tank had only increased the amount of light in the center, and barely lit the back corners of the tank. Before the rescape, adding the desk lamp almost caused my thread algae to explode...but I took care of that by immediately shutting down the light and removing the 10W CFL that was originally under the hood with the 2 LEDs.

I currently have a desk lamp on either side of the tank...27W each. I know...a lot of light. I added diffuser lenses to the desk lamps, raised them up just about as high as they can go, and have them cycle on for 4 hrs each with a 2 hour overlap in the middle of the photoperiod. Basically...the MR11 LEDs are on 12-8, 1 desk lamp 1-5, the other desk lamp 3-7. The frogbit floating at the top of the tank also obviously helps cut down the intensity reaching the tank. So far...it looks like this is working out pretty well. My rotala is doing well, and I haven't seen any signs of algae in the 4 weeks that I've had the tank setup like this. The lights are sitting about 8-9" above the top of the tank...16" from the substrate.

The RCS colony...

With the ich treatment (I used 1/2 dose of Kordon's Rid-ich) I thought they were doomed...or that the females dropped the eggs...but the fry that were initially in the tank are now colorful and juvies...and I've been spotting a couple fry here and there, especially at night. One of the females is saddled again as well.


So, all in all...lesson learned. Even with introducing the "first fish" to the tank, I should've setup a QT tank to avoid all these complications. I have a 10 gal up and running now for just that purpose. I plan on introducing 3 more D. erythromicrons to the tank to get their numbers back up to a comfy 6 once the QT tank is fully cycled.
03-12-2011 03:08 PM
jahmic Thank you both for the compliments

I'm definitely a bit upset about the ich ...more for the sake of the fish, especially the 2 that I probably lost. But, I really do think that the survivors look great and are going to do fine. Of course, maybe it's too early to tell, but the temp doesn't seem to be bothering them, and I've been dosing salt and meds pretty conservatively...they all seem to be doing well. I'm thinking I'll just leave the tank as is with the fauna for quite a while if these guys pull through...I'm going to be way to paranoid about reintroducing parasites or disease to this tank.

I'm going to get some more timers from Home Depot today...I plan on running the desk lamps at a shorter photoperiod, and also stagger the times that they are on to stress the fish less. I really do think that the stress due to the lighting is what sparked the outbreak; they had a tendency to hide while the desk lamps were on, and only come out once the LEDs or the moonlight were the only lights on in the tank. I cut off the desk lamps on Sunday night when I gave it some though, but I guess it was too late

I've seen one leaf on the cryptocoryne melt since I started treating, but that leaf was already badly damaged, and was already melting...it just kind of sped up. This morning I saw that the plant is actually sending up a new leaf, so I don't have much to worry about there. All the other plants seem to be doing great as well, in spite of all the changes in the tank this week.

I'll get some more pics up soon to get an update on the growth...haven't done any trimming yet, but once this ich is out of my tank, I'll probably start trimming the stems here and there so they can bush out a bit.
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