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02-02-2011 09:54 PM
Dave-H Evidently I have no self-control. I read a bunch of forums/articles and decided to just go for the MQ-200, which I ordered a few minutes ago.

When it arrives I can tell you about how it was packaged/sent. It appears to be quite a small package, only 1 pound according to the shopping cart.

One forum talked about how the meter is calibrated under T12 and should be recalibrate for the type of light that it will measure. Does that even make sense?
02-02-2011 09:20 PM
Dave-H Either way will work - an outright purchase then repeated resale OR a group purchase. The purchase/resale approach seems so much easier, though, and now I am impatient!

The MQ-200 looks good on the website, although I have no idea what I'm talking about. There is also a cheaper model but it looks like you might need to buy a sensor to make it work, which will wind up being around the same price.
02-02-2011 09:18 PM
mistergreen
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Originally Posted by plantbrain View Post
That seems fairly easy, but if the person does not have the $$$, then it's tough, but most can swing that before the bill comes due.
you can always wait till the price goes down to where you're comfortable.

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Originally Posted by NJAquaBarren View Post
Cascading purchase may not work. Folks willing to spend $20 or so for a rental may not be comfortable tying up $300+ and worry about being the one stuck with it.
I wouldn't worry about somebody getting stuck with it. You can always lower the price to make it a good deal or sell it to the local University etc...
02-02-2011 09:15 PM
mistergreen Hey Dave-H, I'll buy yours after you're done with it.
02-02-2011 09:08 PM
tharsis count me in !
02-02-2011 09:01 PM
NJAquaBarren Cascading purchase may not work. Folks willing to spend $20 or so for a rental may not be comfortable tying up $300+ and worry about being the one stuck with it.

How about the first 17, pay in, Chad is covered. After, he can make a buck for his inconvenience until the thing breaks.

We all benefit by creating a database.
02-02-2011 08:59 PM
Dave-H I suggested exactly that earlier in the thread.

I am going to buy a PAR meter this weekend, for sure, now that I know the approximate cost. I plan to keep it for about a month or two, since I'm going to finally get my new canopy made and will be able to install new lights.

When I'm done with it, I'll sell it on this forum for less than I paid and hopefully it will get passed around.

Now for the hard part. Which one to get? any advice, hoppy??
02-02-2011 08:46 PM
plantbrain
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Chad doesn't care about the money so he can do whatever he likes but Ideally a better solution is for one person to buy it and hands it off in the S&S at a some price (preferably cheaper) and then that person hands it off to another etc....

This saves transit time too, not always going back to one person, therefore the probability of lost or damage packages will go down as well.
So a staggered pay scale to the next downstream user??

So 1st guy buys for 340$, send to next guy, 320$, then he sends/sells it to the next guy for 300$, and so on? This way you spend the $$$ but get it back when you pass it on down.

That seems fairly easy, but if the person does not have the $$$, then it's tough, but most can swing that before the bill comes due.
02-02-2011 06:40 PM
mistergreen Chad doesn't care about the money so he can do whatever he likes but Ideally a better solution is for one person to buy it and hands it off in the S&S at a some price (preferably cheaper) and then that person hands it off to another etc....

This saves transit time too, not always going back to one person, therefore the probability of lost or damage packages will go down as well.
02-02-2011 06:39 PM
Momotaro They are welcome to use the forum.

They are encouraged to install as many fail safes as they see fit. Deposits are always a good idea. A srtict, clear line of protocol is also encouraged should this plan come to be.

The forum will not be in any postion to mediate any issues that may asrise from people who fail to follow protocol. I am sure it is understood by all, the forum cannot/will not be held responsible for the PAR meter and related transactions.

We want to be both fair and clear to everyone before they get started!
02-02-2011 06:03 PM
plantbrain You could also do a 200$ deposit via paypal and then simply do a refund after the next guy gets it, some book keeping is all that is needed/required.
02-02-2011 06:02 PM
plantbrain IME, most folks that want to borrow/use a PAR meter will be honest about it.

A certain min feedback no#, or post, or personal vouching etc, I know Bob from Texas etc, he lives and comes to our club).

I think overall, folks are pretty honest and upfront here.

I would not expect TPT for support, but more as a communication board.
Part of the deal in buying/opting in, would be exchange of email/phone and mail addresses.

Not perfect and some fool could ruin it, but I think it would be worth a try.
I think forgetfulness and procrastination would be more an issue to ship and exchange to the next down the line.
02-02-2011 12:14 PM
Momotaro It is a nice idea. Perhaps it puts a bit too much trust in complete strangers. I follow the thought process of bigstick120 on this.

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I don't think TPT can be a part of this but you guys can go ahead to do what you want.
TPT will not be part of it. Site will not assume any responsibility or liability. We will not be part of the loan/return process nor mediate if the loan/return process fails.

FAIR WARNING! While we might not choose to prevent you folks from using the forum to facilitate your trade off should your PAR meter come to fruition, we will not allow the forum to become a means to complain about the loan/return process or participants.

Proceed at your own risk and.....good luck! I really hope this works the way you folks want it to! Again, it is a nice idea.

The thread wil be renamed and edited to reflect our stance on the plan.
02-02-2011 04:00 AM
chad320 Although the idea of collecting a fund to replace the meter would be the best option, im not sure what would even be a good starting point. If I charged $5 each time id have to ship it 70 times to replace it. It wont last that long IMO. Lets just give it a couple test runs and if results are satisfactory, great, if not, ill just keep it. Im not about exchanging of money other than shipping. I can however see where it will become a PITA to keep sending it out and at some point just having one member send it to another until its rendered useless. The information gathered is the gamble IMO, and hopefully it proves useful.
02-02-2011 03:30 AM
Armonious I really like the idea, and would love to get my hands on the meter once I get around to getting a membership.

Personally, I see no harm in there being a $5 charge above the price of shipping. One, it allows the risk to be minimized, as well as generating a bit of income for you/ other group buys for the benefit of TPT community. I would gladly pay up $5 extra myself.

What I would really like to see if this comes to fruition is a collection of data about the various common light fixtures that we see in the hobby today. We would need to come up with a few standard measurements locations that should be taken for every light. However, I believe this type of information would easily become indispensible in making good purchases of lighting fixtures in the future.

Think about it. You want to figure out if you can grow plant X with light Y. This is an exceedingly common question on the lighting sub-section of the forums.

If we get this data together, it will be easy enough to know the answer for your question without a large search or posting a new topic. Simply look up how much PAR your proposed light fixture outputs at your predetermined height of the light above the substrate. Factor in a couple other variables such as substrate, CO2 and fertilizer dosing regimen (or lack thereof) and your question is answered.

In my eyes at least, this has the potential to be something much greater than simply sharing an item normally not available to your typical hobbyist, a chance to really get some significant research done for the benefit of the community that we can all use.

This is also where I like the idea of including a $5 usage charge atop the price of the shipping cost. If we wanted to, another meter could be bought, effectivly doubling the rate at which data could be gained. I agree that it also makes sense to only allow people who are supporting the website to allow the meter. Not to say that it is true in all cases, but you can generalize that those people who support the site are more serious about the hobby as a whole, and therefore more likely to respect this service as well as more likely to provide good data readings on their lights.
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