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11-15-2012 11:25 PM
Green_Flash Yeah that list looks fine, there are three types of aquasoil, amazonia, africana, and malaya. each representing one of the worlds three major rainforests. each has a different color/property.

also there is normal grain and powder grain. the powder grain i think looks better and is easier to plant in.

when you fill the tank use a bowl/plate or wax paper to gently poor water.

I would go with Seachem Prime as an all purpose water conditioner. you can't go wrong there.

I also highly recommend a pair of pinsettes for planting the plants.

i also wouldn't worry about any chemicals out there you mentioned, keeping it simple is best. since your doing low tech. if you were doing high tech the only things I would dose would be NPK + Micros (EI index) dry ferts.

finally here is a link for excellent low light beginner plants here on TPT:
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=56042
11-13-2012 11:36 PM
glassguppy
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Originally Posted by ddrfreak_tung View Post
keep in mind that this might not turn out the way you want it to. We all envision something big and spectacular as our first venture into many things only to find out our expectations was too high. I started keeping fish in the 7th grade and it took me about 5 years to figure out what i was doing wrong...granted it was the pre internet age for me. But there's certain things that you will only learn from trial and errors. Know that even with the best of the best, there has to be an understanding of how everything works to successfully recreate an environment and balance nature. im sure some will disagree but that's just from my own experience.

For me, i'd go with prime over brighty k. When it comes to dosing, read up on dry ferts, its cheaper. As far as keeping the water clear and plants green, water is easy to keep clear. Have sufficient filtration, feed sparingly, reg water changes ect. For the keeping of the plants green, that's why this forums exist. DO NOT get discourage if anything goes wrong. There's many of us on here struggling with keeping the plants green and not have an algae infested aquarium.

From that list you posted, not sure if you've purchased a light yet but i didnt see you list it =).
My' eheim aquastyle 9 comes with a 7watt led light fixture which seems bright to me but I'm not sure how much it is in fact. I've heard it's about 1200 lumens, or medium brightness... I'm not sure though, and the filter is an eheim too, it's a corner unit, google the aquastyle 9 for something of a reference lol. -- If I go with dry fertilizer would this be something I'd have to put in the substrate or could I just crush it up and mix it in a bottle with water and dose the tank?
-- I'm not expecting a perfect tank as my' first, what I'm wanting is the best possible result right from the start with alot of the "wish I had done that first" eliminated right from the start... I don't want to waste time on something someone out there could've just told me right from the beginning... I need advice that is pretty much tried and true and over time I'll keep coming on here to read and further my' knowlege... I just want the best possible beginner's position on things.
11-13-2012 09:47 PM
ddrfreak_tung keep in mind that this might not turn out the way you want it to. We all envision something big and spectacular as our first venture into many things only to find out our expectations was too high. I started keeping fish in the 7th grade and it took me about 5 years to figure out what i was doing wrong...granted it was the pre internet age for me. But there's certain things that you will only learn from trial and errors. Know that even with the best of the best, there has to be an understanding of how everything works to successfully recreate an environment and balance nature. im sure some will disagree but that's just from my own experience.

For me, i'd go with prime over brighty k. When it comes to dosing, read up on dry ferts, its cheaper. As far as keeping the water clear and plants green, water is easy to keep clear. Have sufficient filtration, feed sparingly, reg water changes ect. For the keeping of the plants green, that's why this forums exist. DO NOT get discourage if anything goes wrong. There's many of us on here struggling with keeping the plants green and not have an algae infested aquarium.

From that list you posted, not sure if you've purchased a light yet but i didnt see you list it =).
11-13-2012 10:42 AM
glassguppy
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Originally Posted by Green_Flash View Post
You will be perfectly fine using just plain aquasoil with zero additives.
The 5 elements are just extra options.

One bag of power sand S is plenty, it will leave you with quite a bit leftover I think.

For more info on the additives check out these threads:
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...ght=tourmaline
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...ything-special
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...g-you-products
OMG thank you! -- So would I be good just getting aquasoil, cosmetic sands and maybe Brighty K? I'm trying to come up with a final list of everything I'll need for my' tank. Basically the stuff one'll want to get from the start, very few frills and just what is very useful and good to have... and then some things which will not be used as often perhaps, but are essential, like a water testing kit or indicator thingy..

So far my' list looks like this:
Aquasoil -9 liter
Cosmetic sand(s)
Eheim/Jager water heater
Brighty K / Seachem prime "still not sure about which one to get."
Some stones/wood "haven't looked into this yet but want to."
-Anything that'll keep my' plants green and water clear lol
-Something to catch/trap livestock

Guys am I missing anything obvious here? I see tweezers and stuff like that for sale too....I can only see myself getting pruning scissors though, what do you think?
I'm a beginner but I just really want the best possible results as possible at a low cost... I don't think I could afford any sort of Co2 system right now but I'd like that if in reality I don't actually need alot of the other chemicals etc out there... It's just incredibly hard to be certain with all of this marketing going on lol... I want to have my' list of supplies ready by Thursday this week if possible.
11-13-2012 08:42 AM
Green_Flash
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Originally Posted by glassguppy View Post
What about iron or tourmaline? how do those play into things? - and how much powersand do you think I'd need for my' tank? - I'm just so overwhelmed and confused about what to get... It almost looks like I'll need everything just to keep a good tank but I know that can't be true.
You will be perfectly fine using just plain aquasoil with zero additives.
The 5 elements are just extra options.

One bag of power sand S is plenty, it will leave you with quite a bit leftover I think.

For more info on the additives check out these threads:
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...ght=tourmaline
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...ything-special
http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...g-you-products
11-13-2012 07:19 AM
glassguppy
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Originally Posted by ddrfreak_tung View Post
use prime for a dechlor and yes you need to add a dechlor when you're adding new water. For clarity, i've kept many different substrates before and when it came down the how clear my water is, they all appeared the same. The only time it would change is if i added wood/peat, or something similar that would stain the water. Now of course when you disturb the substrate, the water will be cloudly but that's with most substrate and would clear up within hours. While the soil itself can play a big part in your success, other factors like light, co2, and the chemistry of your water is also important. People have had success using many things from ada soil to cat litter. Have you had issues with unclear water in the past?
This is my' first planted tank, so no... - Someone suggested that I use Brighty K to dechlorinate my' water, do you think that would work as well as prime? See I'm just trying to figure out what kind of overall system to get, I don't want to possibly mix the wrong things and cause trouble...
11-13-2012 06:55 AM
etane
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Originally Posted by glassguppy View Post
Do you have any plant suggestions? I don't think I'll be using co2 and I don't want plants that are extremely demanding. Do you have any suggestions for plants that are kind of like baby tears? With fine little leaves and can carpet except that does okay in medium light and isn't demanding? And also, do you think Brighty K will be enough? I also want to make sure my' plants stay green and healthy.
Do you like to prune? I don't, hence I stay away from aquarium lawns. But, if you don't mind mowing the lawn once in a while, e. parvula is rather low maintenance.

Can't tell you much about nutrients as I only use Flourish comprehensive. However, my guess is you don't need to buy any specialized nutrients if you go low tech.
11-13-2012 06:45 AM
glassguppy
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Originally Posted by etane View Post
For clear water, put a bag of purigen in your filter.

Amazonia leaches ammonia and breaks down too easily for me. So, I use UP aquasoil and mix in some Amazonia directly into the areas where plants are planted.

Also, this works for me as I choose not to use demanding plants nor CO2. So, I don't need to drown my plants with nutrients. If you get more demanding plants and choose to use CO2, then you might need to upgrade your light to something stronger. With my low tech set up, my LED is about 18 watts (18 x 1 watt diodes), and I wouldn't go lower than that for my 18 gallon.
Do you have any plant suggestions? I don't think I'll be using co2 and I don't want plants that are extremely demanding. Do you have any suggestions for plants that are kind of like baby tears? With fine little leaves and can carpet except that does okay in medium light and isn't demanding? And also, do you think Brighty K will be enough? I also want to make sure my' plants stay green and healthy.
11-13-2012 06:25 AM
glassguppy
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Originally Posted by Green_Flash View Post
I think you are aiming for something like this?


You are asking if the five elements ADA sells, if they really have an advantage over aquasoil? That is currently an active debate. A matter of personal choice.

ADA makes a couple of dechlor they are called Rio Base, Chlor Off and Brighty K. Brighty K is also a fert. I gather you would need two of them to do something one bottle of Prime does.

You asked for a list of what I would buy based on what you have said, well I would get these:

9L Aquasoil New Amazonia
ADA Power Sand Special S (I would get this over the powders)
La Plata Sand or Nile sand, smallest bag
5 lbs of Yamaya stone, request in order notes for smaller pieces for your river bank
Brighty K (you can use this for chlorine neutralization)
What about iron or tourmaline? how do those play into things? - and how much powersand do you think I'd need for my' tank? - I'm just so overwhelmed and confused about what to get... It almost looks like I'll need everything just to keep a good tank but I know that can't be true.
11-13-2012 06:16 AM
etane For clear water, put a bag of purigen in your filter.

Amazonia leaches ammonia and breaks down too easily for me. So, I use UP aquasoil and mix in some Amazonia directly into the areas where plants are planted.

Also, this works for me as I choose not to use demanding plants nor CO2. So, I don't need to drown my plants with nutrients. If you get more demanding plants and choose to use CO2, then you might need to upgrade your light to something stronger. With my low tech set up, my LED is about 18 watts (18 x 1 watt diodes), and I wouldn't go lower than that for my 18 gallon.
11-13-2012 05:35 AM
Green_Flash
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Originally Posted by glassguppy View Post
Well what I want to know is if there are any particular advantages worth buying the bacter for example... especially if I get something like the power sand... I want my' water to be very clear as well and ada has products for that but if super clear is one of them and the power sand contains it and bacter, do I need to buy either? Also, I've been looking on ADA's site and have been wondering where they have a dechlorinator or if I even need anything like that with their' products.. If you were to compile a list of things you'd get based on what I've described so far, what would it be? Suggestions welcome definitely!
I think you are aiming for something like this?


You are asking if the five elements ADA sells, if they really have an advantage over aquasoil? That is currently an active debate. A matter of personal choice.

ADA makes a couple of dechlor they are called Rio Base, Chlor Off and Brighty K. Brighty K is also a fert. I gather you would need two of them to do something one bottle of Prime does.

You asked for a list of what I would buy based on what you have said, well I would get these:

9L Aquasoil New Amazonia
ADA Power Sand Special S (I would get this over the powders)
La Plata Sand or Nile sand, smallest bag
5 lbs of Yamaya stone, request in order notes for smaller pieces for your river bank
Brighty K (you can use this for chlorine neutralization)
11-13-2012 03:58 AM
glassguppy
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Originally Posted by bacon5 View Post
I don't think that you really need power sand in my opinion. If you want a sandy look you can very cheaply get play sand from home depot, rinse it and it looks pretty much the same and is only a fraction of the price. Also as for water clarity, the best way to do this is 1) a strong filter 2)and weekly water changes. All these products to "clear" water really only hide the problem and don't really solve it. Hope this helps

William
I'm looking at power sand to place beneath my' amazonia substrate because it contains bacter 100 and super clear. I will also look into getting cosmetic sand but for the beach area of the tank I want to create. I have an eheim aquastyle 9, I think the filter should be good enough.
11-13-2012 02:04 AM
bacon5 I don't think that you really need power sand in my opinion. If you want a sandy look you can very cheaply get play sand from home depot, rinse it and it looks pretty much the same and is only a fraction of the price. Also as for water clarity, the best way to do this is 1) a strong filter 2)and weekly water changes. All these products to "clear" water really only hide the problem and don't really solve it. Hope this helps

William
11-13-2012 01:37 AM
glassguppy
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Originally Posted by ddrfreak_tung View Post
small, medium, and large size granules.
I thought so, Any thoughts on the quality of power sand? compared to just buying bacter and super clear?
11-12-2012 06:08 PM
ddrfreak_tung small, medium, and large size granules.
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