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01-07-2005 03:03 AM
TommyBoy
Ace Hardware plastic mesh (door screen)

I've bult a small "carpet" of java moss for one of my nano's using plastic door screen mesh and a couple of criss-crossed loops of dark polyester thread. Within a month the moss completely hid the threads and mesh except when my apple snail digs under it and kicks it up, exposing a corner, some underside, etc.

I bought a 1.5 ft X less than 2 ft odd sized scrap of the door mesh for a dollar at my local ACE Hardware. The idea came to me while there shopping for something else.

HOWEVER, I too would sure like to know what the Japanese word is that is being translated in those Amano books so we can know for sure what he's refering to.
12-11-2004 01:41 AM
zhima I don't get how u can attach the mesh to the glass without leaving any gaps when all you use is suction-cups.

I think it's dangerous for the fish that likes to hide, for example the young dwarf ciclids.
12-06-2004 08:30 PM
codeflag99
Burlap Cloth

I have been using burlap cloth sold in garden centres for wrapping shubs for winter or as pond basket liners. I use it as the substrate and 'weave' the plants or roots into it.

I got the idea from a article writen by Peter Bradley in Practical Fishkeeping magazine.

Its also called Jute carpet backing, Hessian cloth.

George
12-06-2004 12:37 AM
zapus
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonsai_Swamp
Besides the excess length, I was worried about the (large) size of the holes and the possibility that some of my smaller loaches might work their way into the wall. (What are the chances a loach would do that, eh?)
I used the black 1/2" plastic hardware cloth from Lowe's for the moss wall on my nanocube. My only regret was that the clear suction cups I used turned white after extended immersion and really stood out until the moss grew over them. My kuhli loaches and cherry shrimp hide in it all the time, but I haven't seen one of them get stuck.
12-04-2004 06:47 AM
Bonsai_Swamp
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim Leng
you can try using a wire mesh for the base and tie the mosses down by wrapping fishing line....

alternatively use a sheet of acrylic about the size you want...dripp holes for circulation...... lay the moss over it and then use the mesh from the supermarket
I like both those ideas - I imagine they'd stay put well.
12-04-2004 06:40 AM
Bonsai_Swamp
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Originally Posted by fishfry
I'm confused...did you originally ask about him using something on the bottom of the tank so the plants can root in it instead of gravel? Or are you talking about a moss wall for the side of the tank and not the bottom? k
We started with nano substrate then moved to moss walls.
12-02-2004 08:35 AM
Kim Leng you can try using a wire mesh for the base and tie the mosses down by wrapping fishing line.... pack some more along the edges so they cover the edges of the wire mesh well.... mesh with a 4mm gap can be found at many hardware shops...... easy to cut with wire snips....

alternatively use a sheet of acrylic about the size you want...dripp holes for circulation...... lay the moss over it and then use the mesh from the supermarket (after tanking the garlic cloves out if you know what I mean) and secure by tying the back.
12-02-2004 07:58 AM
fishfry I'm confused...did you originally ask about him using something on the bottom of the tank so the plants can root in it instead of gravel? Or are you talking about a moss wall for the side of the tank and not the bottom? moss walls are cool, I am putting one in my nano tank
12-02-2004 03:54 AM
eums what about using egg crate ? it has 1/2" squares but its not as flat.

but its easy to find and its stiff so you could mount it easyer ?
12-01-2004 06:14 AM
Ibn Awesome. Thanks for that info, WP. I'm gonna make a trip over to one of those stores in week.
12-01-2004 06:04 AM
Wasserpest
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Originally Posted by Ibn
That looks very interesting and pretty simple to put together, granted that you can find the mesh. I'm considering it at the moment, since the back of my aquarium is unpainted.

If anyone has done this, let me know where you got the parts from.

TIA
I have done this in my 10 gal (looked good with Christmas moss) and removed it a while ago. I used plastic mesh that is sold in the craft sections of Walmart, Michaels and such. I think it's used for cross-stitch patterns or something, not sure. Only a few cents each square, many colors available. The meshsize is a little on the fine side, but no problem.
12-01-2004 06:04 AM
Bonsai_Swamp Same idea, but the Lowes product looks a bit fancier that what I've got. Mine is a simple black mesh with holes just slightly smaller than the diameter of a pencil.

I really must figure out how to post pictures on these forums...
12-01-2004 03:27 AM
mikeG this is probably something very close to what you are using http://www.lowes.com/lkn?action=prod...=12119-339-451

I cant find a decent image of the hardware cloth, but it typically comes in 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" sizes ...
12-01-2004 03:09 AM
Bonsai_Swamp
Quote:
Originally Posted by misa212
Not sure if this is what you are looking for....?
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...Moss_Wall.html
Thanks for the replies.

I've put together something similar out of "gutter guard" screening and Choroplast corrugated plastic. Had a devil of a time finding the plastic mesh for that project. Home Depot here sells plastic hardware cloth in 15' and 25' rolls two or three feet wide, truly a lifetime's worth of moss walls. Besides the excess length, I was worried about the (large) size of the holes and the possibility that some of my smaller loaches might work their way into the wall. (What are the chances a loach would do that, eh?)

Canadian Tire carries the gutter guard. It has smaller sized holes than the plastic hardware cloth, close to those described in the article. Only problem is that the gutter guard is only 6" in width. I ended up welding two strips together with a soldering pen to do the back of the 20 gallon.

Anyone know what "Canadian Tire" translates to in American? Lowes or Fred Meyers, perhaps?

This week's trimming hopefully will yield enough spare moss to start the wall. Should be interesting to see if it works.


All the plastic mesh I've seen so far is thick and black, and I think would be somewhat "intrusive" on the bottom of a nano. Some of the nanos pictured in the Amano book I have seem to use a finer meshed open weave grey "fabric", but it's difficult to figure out what it is from a couple of glimpses in some pictures.

The idea of woven bamboo sounds interesting. I'm going to be in Vancouver later this week, so I think I'll wander down to Chinatown and see what some of the importers down there have in stock.
11-30-2004 11:34 PM
mikeG Check Outside Lawn and Garden in Lowes. It will be near the Hardware cloth/chicken wire (same thing you are showing, only in plastic rather than metal)
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