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Old 04-04-2008, 03:04 PM   #106 (permalink)
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I am wondering how blyxa japonica would do in a lower light setup. It does great in my high tech tank. It is growing like a weed even though it is HEAVILY shaded by some taller plants. My point of reference is my glosso. It sits in front of the blyxa and it is getting very leggy and sparse whereas the blyxa is shaded even more and growing great. The only other variable though is my co2 injection. I don't know how it would do without it.

What do you guys think? Worth a test?

Edit: I guess this is directed towards Homer and James and wether or not James wants to give it a shot. If there isn't any point, it won't hurt my feelings. I need to get a low tech for dummies book. Can only handle one setup at a time (and barely even that).
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you know making this a google document, would make it much easier to collaborate on

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Good to know. I have set it up just now. I do a search for low light plant list and I get a few websites(this one the most). So it really is nice. I will go in and edit alot more later. Here is a link to it!

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I like the Lobelia and Dwarf hairgrass in my tanks which are mostly nano tanks. The Giant hairgrass got so overgrown that I decided to get rid of it.
I like how Lobelia gets round and bushy Its very soft and I think it looks alot nicer than other plants. Hopefully this plant grows. I also can find this plant locally(after much research in Identifying this plant) so I am not in short supply.

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What an excellent idea!! Thanks James, I will keep in this mind. I am curious as to your experience with Java Moss. I have had problems gettng it to thrive in low light, high light, c02/non c02, ferts no ferts, regularly stocked tanks/overstocked tanks, differing substrates, including Aquasoil. It is supposed to be one of the easiest to grow. The only thing that I can think of is the water temperature. In all the tanks, where it did poorly the temperature was a constant 28-30 degrees celcius. I have a 3 gallon nano at work where the temperature is a constant 26-27 degrees celcius so I may test it on that tank. But some independent verfication and testing on this would be nice, and I think of a more qualified person to do this than you.
I need to get more. The Java Moss I had died tremendously. I had the water in about 60* water with no ferts and just ambient light. I am going to try a few other variables as far as more of a fully submersed, partially submersed, emersed. This should give ideas which it grows best in and then maybe I can try to apply some other variables to the others. Unfortunately this causes for more meticulous planningand research.

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I am wondering how blyxa japonica would do in a lower light setup. It does great in my high tech tank. It is growing like a weed even though it is HEAVILY shaded by some taller plants. My point of reference is my glosso. It sits in front of the blyxa and it is getting very leggy and sparse whereas the blyxa is shaded even more and growing great. The only other variable though is my co2 injection. I don't know how it would do without it.

What do you guys think? Worth a test?

Edit: I guess this is directed towards Homer and James and wether or not James wants to give it a shot. If there isn't any point, it won't hurt my feelings. I need to get a low tech for dummies book. Can only handle one setup at a time (and barely even that).

I dont think Glosso would stay as a carpet plant in low light, more of a mid-background plant. The blyxa may very well survive in low light. Plants tend to adapt to their surroundings and try to grow. Some of them succeed, some of them fail. Blyxa can be one of those plants that succeed whereas Glosso wont. IMO it would be worth the test. But I would use only a little for a test that way if it fails you havent lost money. I want to wait until I get my CO2 setup before I attempt any plants but I will be marking the plants down somewhere for attempts.
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I dont think Glosso would stay as a carpet plant in low light, more of a mid-background plant. The blyxa may very well survive in low light. Plants tend to adapt to their surroundings and try to grow. Some of them succeed, some of them fail. Blyxa can be one of those plants that succeed whereas Glosso wont. IMO it would be worth the test. But I would use only a little for a test that way if it fails you havent lost money. I want to wait until I get my CO2 setup before I attempt any plants but I will be marking the plants down somewhere for attempts.
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I knew the glosso probably wouldn't do well. I was just using it as a point of reference for the blyxa with regards to the amount of light the blyxa is getting. When you are ready to give it a shot, PM me and I'll send you a couple of plants.
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No problem. Once my CO2 is up I will send you a PM.
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B=Background,M=Midground,F=Foreground,FL=Floater,A =Anywhere,

FERNS & MOSSES
A-Marimo Ball- Cladophora aegagrophila
B-African Water Fern - Bolbitis heudelotii
B/F-LWatersprite - Ceratopteris thalictroides
A-Pheonix Moss - Fissidens fontanus
A-Singapore Fissidens-Fissidens sp. "Singapore"
A-Zipper Moss - Fissidens zippelianus
A-Willow Moss - Fontinalis antipyretica
M-Wavy Leaf Java Fern- Microsorum pteropus undulata
M-Tropica Java Fern-Microsurm pteropus 'tropica'
M-Philippine Java Fern - Microsorum pteropus 'Philippine'
M-Java Fern - Microsorum pteropus
M-Red Java fern - Microsorum pteropus "red"
M-Windelov Java Fern - Microsorum pteropus 'Windelov'
M-Narrow Leaf Java Fern - Microsorum pteropus v. 'narrow leaf'
M-Needle Leaf Java Fern- Microsorum pteropus 'needle leaf'
A-Pellia - Monosolenium tenerum
A-Mini Pellia - Riccardia chamedryfolia
F/FL-Riccia - Riccia fluitans
A-Round Pellia - Süßwassertang
A-Flame Moss - Taxiphyllum alternans
A-Java Moss - Taxiphyllum barbieri
A-Peacock Moss - Taxiphyllum sp. 'peacock'
A-Taiwan Moss - Taxiphyllum sp.
A-Singapore Moss - Vesicularia dubyana
A-Christmas Moss - Vesicularia montagnei
A-Erect Moss - Vesicularia reticulata
F-Water Clover - Mariselia minuta
F-Marsilea hirsuta
F-Four Leaf Clover - Mariselia quadrifolia

STEM PLANTS
B-Waterwheel Plant - Aldrovanda vesiculosa
B-Bacopa - Bacopa caroliniana
B-Moneywort - Bocapa monnieri
B/FL-Hornwort - Ceratophylum demersum
B/F-LWatersprite - Ceratopteris thalictroides
B/FL-Anacharis - Egeria densa
B-American Waterweed- Elodea canadensis
F-HC- Hemianthus callitrichoides
B-Stargrass - Heteranthera zosterifolia
B/FL-Brazilian Pennywort - Hydrocotyle leucocephala
M-Water Pennywort - Hydrocotyle ranunculoides
B-Ceylon Hygro - Hygrophila polysperma 'Ceylon'
B-Giant Hygro - Hygrophila corymbosa
B-Water Wisteria - Hygrophila difformis
B-Green Hygro - Hygrophila polysperma
B-Sunset Hygro - Hygrophila polysperma 'Rosanervig'
B-Dwarf Ambulia - Limnophila sessiliflora
B-Red Ludwigia- Ludwigia repens
B/FL-Parrots Feather - Myriophyllum aquaticum
B-Guppy Grass - Najas guadalupensis
F/M-Downoi - Pogostemon helferi
B-Rotala Indica - Rotala indica
B-Rotala Rotundifolia - Rotala rotundifolia
B-Rotala Rotundifolia sp. Green - Rotala rotundifolia sp. 'Green'
B-Combomba - Combomba carolina

FLOATERS
B/FL-Hornwort - Ceratophylum demersum
B/F-LWatersprite - Ceratopteris thalictroides
B/FL-Anacharis - Egeria densa
B/FL-Brazilian Pennywort - Hydrocotyle leucocephala
FL-Duckweed - Lemna minor
B/FL-Parrots Feather - Myriophyllum aquaticum]
FL-Red Root Floater - Phyllanthus fluitans
F/FL-Riccia - Riccia fluitans
FL-Giant Slavinia - Salvinia molesta

CRYPTOCORYNE
M-Crypt Affinis - Cryptocoryne affinis
B-Crypt Aponogetifolia - Cryptocoryne aponogetifolia
B-Crypt Balansae - Cryptocoryne balansae
M-Crypt Becketii - Cryptcoryne becketii
M-Crypt Lutea - Cryptocoryne lutea
F-Micro Crypt - Cryptocoryne petchii
F-Pygmy Crypt - Cryptocoryne pygmaea
B-Crypt retrospiralis - Cryptocoryne retrospiralis
B-Crypt spiralis - Cryptocoryne spiralis
M-Crypt Walkeri - Cryptocoryne walkeri
M-Crypt Wendtii - Cryptocoryne wendtii
M-Crypt Willisi - Cryptocoryne willisi
F- Crypt Parva - Cryptocoryne parva
M- Crypt Pontederiifolia - Cryptocoryne pontederiifolia

ANUBIAS
M-Anubias barteri - Anubias barteri
M-Anubias barteri 'marble' - Anubias barteri 'marble'
M-Coffee leaf anubias - Anubias barteri v. 'coffeefolia'
A-Marbled Nana
M-Anubias barteri v. 'glabra' - Anubias barteri v. 'glabra'
A-Golden nana - Anubias barteri v. 'nana golden'
A-Anubias nana - Anubias barteri v. 'nana'
M-Narrow leaf nana - Anubias barteri v. 'nana narrow leaf'
A-Petite nana - Anubias barteri v. nana 'petite'
M- Minima
B-Hastifolia - Anubias hastifolia
B-Barteri Round Leaf - Anubias barteri v. ‘Round Leaf’
B-Gigantea - Anubias gigantea
B-Congensis - Anubias congensis
B-Lanceolota - Anubias lanceolota
M-Gracilis - Anubias gracilis
M-Anubias Barteri v Angustifolia - Anubias barteri v angustifolia
M-Caladiifolia -Anubias barteri v Caladiifolia
M-Anubias Afzelli - Anubias afzelli

SWORD PLANTS
B-Amazon Sword - Echinodorus amazonicus
B-Ruffle Sword - Echinodorus major
M-Melon Sword - Echinodorus osiris
M-Tropica Sword - Echinodorus parviflorus 'Tropica'
M-Red Flame Sword - Echinodorus 'Red Special'
F-Pygmy Chain Sword - Echinodorus tenellus or Helanthium tenellum
B-Uruguay Amazon Sword - Echinodorus uruguayensis
B-Argentine Sword - Echinodrous argentinensis

LILY'S
F-Lotus- Nymphaea pubescens M-Tiger Lotus - Nymphaea zenkeri

GRASSES
B-Water Celery- Vallisneria americana
B-Contortion Val - Vallisneria asiatica
B-Vallisneria natans
B-Valliseneria rubra
N-Corkscrew Val - Vallisneria tortifolia
M-Dwarf Sag- Sagittaria subulata
B-Crinum calimistratum
B-Onion Plant - Crinum thaianum
F-Micro Sword - Lilaeopsis braziliensis
B-Crinum aquatica

APONOGETONS
M-Aponogeton ulvaceous
B-Aponogeton bouvianus
B-Aponogeton crispus
B-Aponogeton elongatus
B-Aponogeton undulatus
B-Rigidifolius - Aponogeton rigidifolius
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Dwarf Hairgrass and Giant Hairgrass may be added to the list. I want to see if it grows and spreads first.
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Wow James its really looking good. Thanks for your efforts and everybody who contributed. This will really help us both newbies advanced.
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What an excellent idea!! Thanks James, I will keep in this mind. I am curious as to your experience with Java Moss. I have had problems gettng it to thrive in low light, high light, c02/non c02, ferts no ferts, regularly stocked tanks/overstocked tanks, differing substrates, including Aquasoil. It is supposed to be one of the easiest to grow. The only thing that I can think of is the water temperature. In all the tanks, where it did poorly the temperature was a constant 28-30 degrees celcius. I have a 3 gallon nano at work where the temperature is a constant 26-27 degrees celcius so I may test it on that tank. But some independent verfication and testing on this would be nice, and I think of a more qualified person to do this than you.
I am going to try and see if this affects other mossesas well, at least the same way as Java Moss. I am going to experiment with Flame Moss first.
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Wow!! great list! think this wil prove extremely useful when choosing plants. Thanks very much
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I am going to try and see if this affects other mossesas well, at least the same way as Java Moss. I am going to experiment with Flame Moss first.

FWIW, I have a co-worker who is not a planted tank enthusiast but he has a guppy breed op in place. No fancy lighting, just lots of java moss for the breeding tank. No ferts, no excel. He told me that his guppies are breeding like crazy, no fish deaths, and his java moss is growing like a weed. He told me that he even has ghost shrimp in the tank (for a year now) and they have grown quite big(he does not dose iodine or calcium either). This is a bit of a surprise as many people, including myself have had no success keeping ghost shrimp.

The java moss growing like a weed interested me the most, so I asked him if he could check his tank temperature and tell me what it was at. This is what he E-Mailed me.

"My temperature in my 30 gal is 74-76 or around 24- Java moss thriving.
20 gal- 72/73 22-23 Java Moss thriving as well"


It would seem that at least based on what is he stating that java moss may do much better at lower temperatures. Lol, now if I could only convince him to test or let me test his water parameters(GH, KH, PH, potassium, nitrates) to see how those compare to my water parameters.
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Wow!! great list! think this wil prove extremely useful when choosing plants. Thanks very much
Thanks and your welcome!

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FWIW, I have a co-worker who is not a planted tank enthusiast but he has a guppy breed op in place. No fancy lighting, just lots of java moss for the breeding tank. No ferts, no excel. He told me that his guppies are breeding like crazy, no fish deaths, and his java moss is growing like a weed. He told me that he even has ghost shrimp in the tank (for a year now) and they have grown quite big(he does not dose iodine or calcium either). This is a bit of a surprise as many people, including myself have had no success keeping ghost shrimp.

The java moss growing like a weed interested me the most, so I asked him if he could check his tank temperature and tell me what it was at. This is what he E-Mailed me.

"My temperature in my 30 gal is 74-76 or around 24- Java moss thriving.
20 gal- 72/73 22-23 Java Moss thriving as well"


It would seem that at least based on what is he stating that java moss may do much better at lower temperatures. Lol, now if I could only convince him to test or let me test his water parameters(GH, KH, PH, potassium, nitrates) to see how those compare to my water parameters.
Hmmm, that is interesting. If you can get the parameters please post because lately I cannot keep Java Moss alive for my soul.
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Added Dwarf Hairgrass and Giant Hairgrass to the list.

B=Background,M=Midground,F=Foreground,FL=Floater,A =Anywhere,

FERNS & MOSSES
A-Marimo Ball- Cladophora aegagrophila
B-African Water Fern - Bolbitis heudelotii
B/F-LWatersprite - Ceratopteris thalictroides
A-Pheonix Moss - Fissidens fontanus
A-Singapore Fissidens-Fissidens sp. "Singapore"
A-Zipper Moss - Fissidens zippelianus
A-Willow Moss - Fontinalis antipyretica
M-Wavy Leaf Java Fern- Microsorum pteropus undulata
M-Tropica Java Fern-Microsurm pteropus 'tropica'
M-Philippine Java Fern - Microsorum pteropus 'Philippine'
M-Java Fern - Microsorum pteropus
M-Red Java fern - Microsorum pteropus "red"
M-Windelov Java Fern - Microsorum pteropus 'Windelov'
M-Narrow Leaf Java Fern - Microsorum pteropus v. 'narrow leaf'
M-Needle Leaf Java Fern- Microsorum pteropus 'needle leaf'
A-Pellia - Monosolenium tenerum
A-Mini Pellia - Riccardia chamedryfolia
F/FL-Riccia - Riccia fluitans
A-Round Pellia - Süßwassertang
A-Flame Moss - Taxiphyllum alternans
A-Java Moss - Taxiphyllum barbieri
A-Peacock Moss - Taxiphyllum sp. 'peacock'
A-Taiwan Moss - Taxiphyllum sp.
A-Singapore Moss - Vesicularia dubyana
A-Christmas Moss - Vesicularia montagnei
A-Erect Moss - Vesicularia reticulata
F-Water Clover - Mariselia minuta
F-Marsilea hirsuta
F-Four Leaf Clover - Mariselia quadrifolia

STEM PLANTS
B-Waterwheel Plant - Aldrovanda vesiculosa
B-Bacopa - Bacopa caroliniana
B-Moneywort - Bocapa monnieri
B/FL-Hornwort - Ceratophylum demersum
B/F-LWatersprite - Ceratopteris thalictroides
B/FL-Anacharis - Egeria densa
B-American Waterweed- Elodea canadensis
F-HC- Hemianthus callitrichoides
B-Stargrass - Heteranthera zosterifolia
B/FL-Brazilian Pennywort - Hydrocotyle leucocephala
M-Water Pennywort - Hydrocotyle ranunculoides
B-Ceylon Hygro - Hygrophila polysperma 'Ceylon'
B-Giant Hygro - Hygrophila corymbosa
B-Water Wisteria - Hygrophila difformis
B-Green Hygro - Hygrophila polysperma
B-Sunset Hygro - Hygrophila polysperma 'Rosanervig'
B-Dwarf Ambulia - Limnophila sessiliflora
B-Red Ludwigia- Ludwigia repens
B/FL-Parrots Feather - Myriophyllum aquaticum
B-Guppy Grass - Najas guadalupensis
F/M-Downoi - Pogostemon helferi
B-Rotala Indica - Rotala indica
B-Rotala Rotundifolia - Rotala rotundifolia
B-Rotala Rotundifolia sp. Green - Rotala rotundifolia sp. 'Green'
B-Combomba - Combomba carolina

FLOATERS
B/FL-Hornwort - Ceratophylum demersum
B/F-LWatersprite - Ceratopteris thalictroides
B/FL-Anacharis - Egeria densa
B/FL-Brazilian Pennywort - Hydrocotyle leucocephala
FL-Duckweed - Lemna minor
FL-Red Root Floater - Phyllanthus fluitans
F/FL-Riccia - Riccia fluitans
FL-Giant Slavinia - Salvinia molesta

CRYPTOCORYNE
M-Crypt Affinis - Cryptocoryne affinis
B-Crypt Aponogetifolia - Cryptocoryne aponogetifolia
B-Crypt Balansae - Cryptocoryne balansae
M-Crypt Becketii - Cryptcoryne becketii
M-Crypt Lutea - Cryptocoryne lutea
F-Micro Crypt - Cryptocoryne petchii
F-Pygmy Crypt - Cryptocoryne pygmaea
B-Crypt retrospiralis - Cryptocoryne retrospiralis
B-Crypt spiralis - Cryptocoryne spiralis
M-Crypt Walkeri - Cryptocoryne walkeri
M-Crypt Wendtii - Cryptocoryne wendtii
M-Crypt Willisi - Cryptocoryne willisi
F- Crypt Parva - Cryptocoryne parva
M- Crypt Pontederiifolia - Cryptocoryne pontederiifolia

ANUBIAS
M-Anubias barteri - Anubias barteri
M-Anubias barteri 'marble' - Anubias barteri 'marble'
M-Coffee leaf anubias - Anubias barteri v. 'coffeefolia'
A-Marbled Nana - Anubias barteri nana 'Marble'
M-Anubias barteri v. 'glabra' - Anubias barteri v. 'glabra'
A-Golden nana - Anubias barteri v. 'nana golden'