Why is there no sticky differentiating all these different Lighting Systems???

Microgeophagus · 09-09-2005, 05:35 PM

I am oblivious to the differences and I need to know before i try to buy.

eds · 09-09-2005, 05:40 PM

Yeah! What are we paying for here?!

Whaddya wanna know?

If you google, you can find bookoo sites comparing lighting types.

Microgeophagus · 09-09-2005, 06:04 PM

Right now I am curious of the differences between PC and CF

**bharada** · 09-09-2005, 06:32 PM

PC (Power Compact) and CF (Compact Fluorescent) are the same thing.

Where things get interesting is when you start comparing PC/CF, VHO, T-5, and ODNO systems. That'll keep you up to your ears in reading material for a week!

**BlueRam** · 09-09-2005, 06:53 PM

I am writing up someting like that for my local club (GSAS). The meat in table form:

malkore · 09-09-2005, 08:41 PM

blueram, your columns are reversed for the spiral and power compacts..you have 55 lumens at 4600 watts

shalu · 09-09-2005, 08:50 PM

The power consumption of ODNO part is kind of misleading. It consumes nowhere near 4x electricity when doing 4x ODNO, just over 2x, see actual measurements in the ODNO thread in FAQ. It would be nice if we can do more measurements with different ballast configurations, to provide more data points. I am getting a kill-a-watt myself off ebay right now.

**BlueRam** · 09-09-2005, 10:15 PM

malkore:

Yes, this is an old draft I had handy (saved as a PDF --> gif in paint!) . I can do a better job tonight.

shalu:

Yes, ODNO is a mystery to me as I am not ODing anything. I was trying to show that T12 (NO, HO, VHO) and T5 (NO, HO) are varients of the same bulb that are "factory" OD. I would love to dig through that OD thread and get some better values as (googling) ODNO is really not all that well explored. I look forward to any further data you would like to supply.

Matak · 09-09-2005, 10:27 PM

For the spiral compact, is that total output lumens, (including all that restrike loss in the spiral) or is that usable lumens (as measrured from the outside of the bulb)?

**BlueRam** · 09-09-2005, 10:37 PM

All are quoted as total lumens. Skip the reflector and get less than half!

Edit:
Note that 1250/20 = 62.5 for spiral compact

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matak

For the spiral compact, is that total output lumens, (including all that restrike loss in the spiral) or is that usable lumens (as measrured from the outside of the bulb)?

**BlueRam** · 09-11-2005, 10:44 PM

Draft available for comment. Please PM if you would like a copy to proof.

09-09-2005, 05:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
Microgeophagus Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Haven, Ct Posts: 16	Why is there no sticky differentiating all these different Lighting Systems??? I am oblivious to the differences and I need to know before i try to buy.

09-09-2005, 05:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
eds Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (8) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,410	Yeah! What are we paying for here?! Whaddya wanna know? If you google, you can find bookoo sites comparing lighting types. __________________ 55gal - Coralife 4x65w cf, xp3, flourite, Hydor ETH300w, pressurized CO2 w/ rex(TM) reactor! 30gal - 55W AH, ecco 2232, flourite/gravel, DIY CO2 w/ Hagen ladder 3gal - endlers/cherry shrimp 4W cf, Red Sea deco nano, flourite

09-09-2005, 06:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
bharada Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (9) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 2,581	PC (Power Compact) and CF (Compact Fluorescent) are the same thing. Where things get interesting is when you start comparing PC/CF, VHO, T-5, and ODNO systems. That'll keep you up to your ears in reading material for a week! __________________ —Bill sfbaaps \| My site

09-09-2005, 08:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
malkore Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 2,165	blueram, your columns are reversed for the spiral and power compacts..you have 55 lumens at 4600 watts __________________ Malkore Filstar XP2 PIMP #3 Visit my aquarium pages - see specs on my tanks, and photos of how they've evolved

09-09-2005, 08:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
shalu Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,675	The power consumption of ODNO part is kind of misleading. It consumes nowhere near 4x electricity when doing 4x ODNO, just over 2x, see actual measurements in the ODNO thread in FAQ. It would be nice if we can do more measurements with different ballast configurations, to provide more data points. I am getting a kill-a-watt myself off ebay right now. __________________ Truvu 100g Flourite, wet/dry, AHSupply 302w PC, PinPoint controller 10gallon15w T6+15w T8 55gallon40w T6 ODNO4x, no CO2. Discus grow out. 10gallon Tonina tank, 2x15w T6 ODNO 4x --------------------- I will do aquascapes after I collect all the plant species and grow them to perfection.

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Microgeophagus Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Haven, Ct Posts: 16	Right now I am curious of the differences between PC and CF

09-09-2005, 10:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
BlueRam Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,660	malkore: Yes, this is an old draft I had handy (saved as a PDF --> gif in paint!) . I can do a better job tonight. shalu: Yes, ODNO is a mystery to me as I am not ODing anything. I was trying to show that T12 (NO, HO, VHO) and T5 (NO, HO) are varients of the same bulb that are "factory" OD. I would love to dig through that OD thread and get some better values as (googling) ODNO is really not all that well explored. I look forward to any further data you would like to supply. __________________ Greater Seattle Aquarium Society Member (GSAS.org) Plant Auction February 12th, General Auction April 12th Community 60 gal T8 +CO2 +sump. Clown Barbs 75 gal T8 +sump Goodeidae project 20Long PC

09-09-2005, 10:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Matak Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Greater Toronto Area Posts: 319	For the spiral compact, is that total output lumens, (including all that restrike loss in the spiral) or is that usable lumens (as measrured from the outside of the bulb)? __________________ Steve Filstar advocate #29

09-11-2005, 10:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
BlueRam Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,660	Draft available for comment. Please PM if you would like a copy to proof. __________________ Greater Seattle Aquarium Society Member (GSAS.org) Plant Auction February 12th, General Auction April 12th Community 60 gal T8 +CO2 +sump. Clown Barbs 75 gal T8 +sump Goodeidae project 20Long PC

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