"Der Ewige Kreis" - "The Eternal Circle" - To be Torn Down

[goalcreas]

Originally Posted by fishscale

You may have gotten lucky here, I have had some very territorial female GBR's. A trio in a 55, and one female killed the other.

Sorry to hear that, I guess I am lucky over and over again

[fishman9809]

thanks Ozymandias and Goalcreas, thanks for backing me up, I hope you try AS Ozymandias, it looks like great stuff!!!!

[Ozymandias]

now i realy can't wait to see this tank set up, whens your dad getting back?

[fishman9809]

um, according to schedule, next week on Thursday!!!! I dont know if we will DIY a new stand or just mod this one. I took apart my old tank today, and returned all the fish to my lfs. I hope we DIY a new stand, because the stand is not tooo nice. I still need a heater, though it is hot, it will get cold in da winter.

[fishman9809]

UPDATE 4/24/08

I'm just gonna get some Marisa cornuarietis (kind of Apple snail from SA) and they will take care of algae.

My new stocking list for a Llanos swamp plain biotope:

1 pair of Blue Rams
14 pristella maxillaris (xray tetra) or 14 hyphressbyron sweglesi (red phantom tetra)
1 clown pleco
4-6 Marisa cornuarietis

wat do you think? all are SA native to the Llanos plains!!!


this tank will be completely of the Orinoco subsection, the Llanos plains. They are basically swamp lands left from the floods and fill up during the wet season and fish go in and out, but if they stay too long, they get trapped.

Will try to post pics later of equipment bought, my bro is being kind of a$$y, lol

-Nick

[fishman9809]

equip:

[Naja002]

Originally Posted by fshfanatic

I read through this thread and have to ask. Just what classifies this as a journal?

Originally Posted by fshfanatic

It is? I must have missed something. It resembles all of your "I am getting this tank soon, what should I do..." threads.

I am not bashing you at all. I just expected more. Pictures of the actual tank would be nice. Besides the pics of the tank sitting on your porch.

Originally Posted by fshfanatic

So, in other words it really isnt a journal. As it hasnt started yet. Thats what I thought.

[fishman9809]

i dont get it

[Ozymandias]

Fishman i don't get it ether. also i know your doing a biotope but i think you'll be fin even if thay aren't natives to the Llanos plains; not many people will really notice.

[SeaSerpant]

looks great. i think you have most of your stuff there.

[fishman9809]

I know about the biotope fact, but I want to simulate reality.

I really love biotopes!!!!

Thanks for the comments!!!!!!!

[jaidexl]

Originally Posted by fishman9809

I'm just gonna get some Marisa cornuarietis (kind of Apple snail from SA) and they will take care of algae.

My new stocking list for a Llanos swamp plain biotope:

1 pair of Blue Rams
14 pristella maxillaris (xray tetra) or 14 hyphressbyron sweglesi (red phantom tetra)
1 clown pleco
4-6 Marisa cornuarietis

wat do you think? a

Bad idea, Marisa cornuarietis aka Giant Columbian Ramshorn is a veracious plant eater and will mow your tank down in no time. All apple snails for that matter are large sources of waste and are not really a good idea in a 20gl, especially not in large numbers.

Plecos have no place in a 20gl IMO, they get too large and produce way too much waste, even the smaller ancistrus species and the like will fit but are still heavy waste producers in a small volume of water. Not to mention plecos aren't very reliable algae eaters, it's the heavy protein requirement that makes their diet turn to sludge in the tank. I would personally save the space for a group of Otocinclus, they are more entertaining and do a great job on certain types of algae.

Ditching those two options from the list will allow you greater room for more schoolers, although I would cut the tetra schools you listed in half. Technically that's still well over the "inch per gallon" guideline that everyone follows, but with enough biomedia in the filters (I would get a small canister filter for more room) and enough space for them to swim, I could see 14 tetras feasible in a 20 long with plants, although regular 20gl tanks fill up quick with stock and it becomes very distracting IMHO.

[fishman9809]

clown plecs grow 4 inches.

I need an algae eater though.......

[fishman9809]

oh yea, it wouldn't be a true biotope if I got otos, by the way.

[lauraleellbp]

I thought you were going to have shrimp in this tank? I'm probably behind by now though (it's been a few hours) LOL- just pulling your chain

It's looking good Fish!