A new Black Substrate by Aquariumplants.com

[kgbenson]

Originally Posted by glass-gardens.com

You say it's mined for you? Where, what company?

Where's the independent analysis? What lab performed it?

I see no need to be complaining about people discussing something, you have no right to demand we simply be cheerleaders for you.

This brings up a couple of questions:

Who mines SMS? Where, what company?

Can you point me to an independent analysis of SMS? I can't seme to find one. It may exist but it is not super easy to find. What lab performed the analysis.

Did he demand that we simply be cheerleaders?

Keith

[Burks]

The ASSuming has begun once again!

Fish Newb makes a good point. Maybe someone should send AP the link to this topic and let them answer our questions?

[glass-gardens.com]

Originally Posted by Fishgovno

Firstly not my company.
I do know there will be information available soon.I don't have it yet

No offense, but would you buy a car without learning all you could about it first?

Originally Posted by Fishgovno

I was just stating that there is a lot of complaining and speculating

Haven't seen anything resembling complaining at least in this thread, speculation yes, but speculation under the circumstances is neither unreasonable or demeaning to your company. A forum that doesn't allow free, legitimate discussion is hardly worthy of patronage.

[quote=Fishgovno;342052]There are a lot of forums I belong to and the ones in Canada have a rule that does not allow forum members to make shots at sponsers or non sponsers or even for that matter at other members[/qoogle}

If I google your username, can I find examples of the type of discussions you approve of on those other forums?

Originally Posted by Fishgovno

What I have read kinda buggs the crap out of me that the mod team allows such behavior and then inturn the forum expects some donations or help from sponsers why would they do that(I can say that-seeing I am not a sponser or a store owner)I just can't sit back and watch any store/sponser get ripped apart I have had my share of bad deals or bad stores but that is between me and them

I don't see where anyone is slamming anyone, I mean really we're talking about a product and waiting for solid information from the supplier.

Originally Posted by Fishgovno

I can go and on about this but there is no point I am done,just putting in my 2 cents.I am sure aquariumplants.com will issue what information they have when they have it.

And I'll wait to buy the car at least until I see the manufacturers specs on it.

Have a great day !

[glass-gardens.com]

Actually one of the other posters emailed them awhile back and as far as I know has not received any answers.

And if one went through life without ever making an assumption about anything, well, try walking through Compton at midnight with a wad of cash in your hand without assuming your going to get robbed

Or better yet, I have this black plastic tube, put it in your tank and I guarantee that it will make your tank look pristine and spectacular over night. It uses no electricity, no maintenace is required.

Now, that's all I'm saying about it, and I'll be highly offended if anyone dares to question whether or not it works, or discusses what it is or even how it works beyond what I've already told them

[Betowess]

Back on topic guys...
Bill, I am curious if you notice any lower pH or KH/GH . Apparently SMS drops the pH etc. considerably, so when you try out the new Aquariumplants.com substrate, please let us know. Thanks, bob

[mrbelvedere]

Originally Posted by Fishgovno

aquariumplants.com's substrate is not SMS it is mined for them

You are going to tell me that Aquarium Plants.com has their own mining contract? Pretty big for such a small company.

I think we are too nice around here. We aren't allowed to question, to be skeptical. Since our sponsors are a presence on the forum they can be expected to chime in and set us straight whenever we have a problem/query.

[ianiwane]

Fishgovno, if you want to make these statements, please let it be known where you are getting this information from.

[wood]

Originally Posted by Fishgovno

Firstly not my company.
I do know there will be information available soon.I don't have it yet.
I was just stating that there is a lot of complaining and speculating.There are a lot of forums I belong to and the ones in Canada have a rule that does not allow forum members to make shots at sponsers or non sponsers or even for that matter at other members...
What I have read kinda buggs the crap out of me that the mod team allows such behavior and then inturn the forum expects some donations or help from sponsers why would they do that(I can say that-seeing I am not a sponser or a store owner)I just can't sit back and watch any store/sponser get ripped apart I have had my share of bad deals or bad stores but that is between me and them.
I can go and on about this but there is no point I am done,just putting in my 2 cents.I am sure aquariumplants.com will issue what information they have when they have it.

Not allowing forum members to voice their opinion about a "new" product is completely rediculous, especially when almost nothing is known about the product. Censorship is not a part of free speech, obviously. If someone raises legitimate questions about something related to their agenda, in our case aquatic plants, then there should be discussion especially when in this case the soil raises more questions than answers.

Sponsorship is simply a means of getting good advertising and promoting your product and at the same time supporting the cause of your potential customers. If you are a sponsor of this forum then I feel that it is your utmost responsibility to answer the questions and concerns that forum members have about your product. If we as forum members were not allowed to talk about the products of the sponsors then there could be several people that end up purchasing a bad product, whereas if there is legitimate discussion it can greatly benefit all members of the forum as well as those "lurking." That is the whole meaning of a forum isn't it, information exchange?

If I was aquariumplants.com then I would be on this forum answering ALL of the questions about my new soil, in order to avoid speculation and concern. It would only make sense. Not having enough information about my new product, combined with a lot of speculation, would make me look as if I was selling a bad product. How many times have we seen where a company is forced to answer the questions of consumers? When have you ever heard that consumers are not allowed to ask questions? The "Nutrional Facts" on the back of every edible item in this country is for the consumers, and not the company.

Information exchange is what free speech is all about and the internet greatly facilitates it.

The forum has leverage over the sponsor here, and not the other way around!

-Ryan

[ianmoede]

Well put Ryan. What would be the point of us not questioning? You might as well read a magazine or a book, where all the products are great and none of them suck according to the adds.

[bharada]

Wow. With so many passionate posts here you'd think aquariumplants.com was claiming to be selling a bucket full of cancer curing drugs rather than aquarium substrate.

Acrillite-based substrates (hey, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... ) work well so it's not even a bad substrate that they're selling.

I wouldn't be surprised if they drop the product from their site and return to the simpler life of fielding complaints from angry plant buying customers.

[JustOneMore21]

Wow. With so many passionate posts here you'd think aquariumplants.com was claiming to be selling a bucket full of cancer curing drugs rather than aquarium substrate.

I was thinking the same thing....

I have been following this thread because I plan to use the new substrate in my new 38g tank and wanted to see what people think about it....but wow...this thread has gotten crazy!

I still plan on trying it whether its a knock-off or whatever. Eco-complete is just too expensive for me and I can't get SMS...so the AP stuff is a great find for me.

[ianiwane]

Originally Posted by Love4Animals20

I was thinking the same thing....

I have been following this thread because I plan to use the new substrate in my new 38g tank and wanted to see what people think about it....but wow...this thread has gotten crazy!

I still plan on trying it whether its a knock-off or whatever. Eco-complete is just too expensive for me and I can't get SMS...so the AP stuff is a great find for me.

There are a few lesco's in your area why can you not get SMS? Check out lesco.com

[Fishgovno]

Boy is this sad did any of you read the whole post?

There is a breaking point to people putting up with stupid comments,numerous times in this post you attack Greg Watson and aquariumplants.com crap if I were both of them yyou clowns would get a law suiot just like that one advertised on Chuck Gads site.
I never said lets not have free speech I said that if you have a good opinion tried something like it share your opinion. Your ideas about what is right and wrong amaze me an axe murder thinks he is right and what he has said or done is ok.?
Ah forget it just a waste of time keep being right and have a nice life.

[ianiwane]

Originally Posted by Fishgovno

Boy is this sad did any of you read the whole post?
Are you realy that dumb?
There is a breaking point to people putting up with stupid comments,numerous times in this post you attack Greg Watson and aquariumplants.com crap if I were both of them yyou clowns would get a law suiot just like that one advertised on Chuck Gads site.
I never said lets not have free speech I said that if you have a good opinion tried something like it share your opinion. Your ideas about what is right and wrong amaze me an axe murder thinks he is right and what he has said or done is ok.?
Ah forget it just a waste of time keep being right and have a nice life.

I can't understand your grammer. Please edit, so I can understand you better.

[bharada]

Originally Posted by Fishgovno

Boy is this sad did any of you read the whole post?
Are you realy that dumb?
There is a breaking point to people putting up with stupid comments,numerous times in this post you attack Greg Watson and aquariumplants.com crap if I were both of them yyou clowns would get a law suiot just like that one advertised on Chuck Gads site.
I never said lets not have free speech I said that if you have a good opinion tried something like it share your opinion. Your ideas about what is right and wrong amaze me an axe murder thinks he is right and what he has said or done is ok.?
Ah forget it just a waste of time keep being right and have a nice life.

This thread appears to be heading nowhere fast.

Thanks to Betowess for pointing out the new new offering by aquariumplants.com. I'll take credit/blame for saying that it appears to be the same material as Turface/Soilmaster.

If you're out in nowhereland and can't find a local Lesco or Turface dealership you now have another option at your disposal.

With that said this thread is officially closed.