Female rams?

tendril · 08-13-2004, 06:49 PM

I have what I _think_ are a pair of female rams who are currently fiercely guarding a clutch of opaque (and thus I'm assuming infertile?) eggs against two sparkling gouramis. Has anyone experienced this before? Both the rams have the characterstics ascribed to female Rams (shorter dorsal spines, pink blush, etc.) but one _could_ be a male.

Georgiadawgger · 08-14-2004, 02:34 AM

Its possible that one is a male...apparently there is a lot of hormone injecting that goes on in the ram trade to get the colors more vibrant...so they guy at my LFS says. Wait to see if they actually hatch...

Blade · 08-14-2004, 03:06 AM

I agree, I would seriously doubt it. Although anything is possible.

tendril · 08-14-2004, 07:34 AM

I'm pretty sure the eggs are infertile. All of them are opaque white. The couple have very good parental instincts, fanning the eggs, mouthing them, taking turns defending them. It's quite a sight. They both look like females though!!! I will leave the eggs in there for the next couple of days.

corigan · 08-14-2004, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tendril

I'm pretty sure the eggs are infertile. All of them are opaque white. The couple have very good parental instincts, fanning the eggs, mouthing them, taking turns defending them. It's quite a sight. They both look like females though!!! I will leave the eggs in there for the next couple of days.

Might be time to add a male then since the females look happy..

Matt

louisxyz · 08-16-2004, 03:43 AM

I saw two female angel do the same, they would lay eggs on the outtake of the filter and watch them, but they were always infertile. You really should add a male thought...

unirdna · 08-16-2004, 05:56 AM

You can take a look at an old thread of mine. The photos may help you to determine sex. Females tend to have more blue 'sparklies' on/near the the black patch on their sides. The eggs are most likely opaque because your water conditions are not right, not because of lack of fertilization.... That said, I have had many cichlids spawn without mates. But when they did, they did not tolerate the presense of any other fish (male or female), so this is why I doubt you have a pair of females sharing the work.

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...=breeding+rams

08-13-2004, 06:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
tendril Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 38	Female rams? I have what I _think_ are a pair of female rams who are currently fiercely guarding a clutch of opaque (and thus I'm assuming infertile?) eggs against two sparkling gouramis. Has anyone experienced this before? Both the rams have the characterstics ascribed to female Rams (shorter dorsal spines, pink blush, etc.) but one _could_ be a male. Last edited by Buck; 08-14-2004 at 11:51 AM. Reason: No need for that title wording...

08-14-2004, 02:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
Georgiadawgger Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (12) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Arlington, VA (Near the Pentagon) Posts: 2,404	Its possible that one is a male...apparently there is a lot of hormone injecting that goes on in the ram trade to get the colors more vibrant...so they guy at my LFS says. Wait to see if they actually hatch... __________________ 65g AGA: Pimp# 44: Eheim 2026,2224; Anti- Filstar; CLTT UV; 3 wpg PC, pressurized CO2. GATA! FTD!!!

08-16-2004, 03:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
louisxyz Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Magog, "french" Quebec, Canada Posts: 96	I saw two female angel do the same, they would lay eggs on the outtake of the filter and watch them, but they were always infertile. You really should add a male thought... __________________ LouisXYZ 125g amazonian on setup phase

08-16-2004, 05:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
unirdna Moderator (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3) Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,169	You can take a look at an old thread of mine. The photos may help you to determine sex. Females tend to have more blue 'sparklies' on/near the the black patch on their sides. The eggs are most likely opaque because your water conditions are not right, not because of lack of fertilization.... That said, I have had many cichlids spawn without mates. But when they did, they did not tolerate the presense of any other fish (male or female), so this is why I doubt you have a pair of females sharing the work. http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...=breeding+rams __________________ Ted ADA 90cm - Set up April 2007 - Journal 46g - Terminated March 2007 - Journal

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

08-14-2004, 03:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
Blade Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 139	I agree, I would seriously doubt it. Although anything is possible.

08-14-2004, 07:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
tendril Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 38	I'm pretty sure the eggs are infertile. All of them are opaque white. The couple have very good parental instincts, fanning the eggs, mouthing them, taking turns defending them. It's quite a sight. They both look like females though!!! I will leave the eggs in there for the next couple of days.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
2 pairs of 'breeding' gold rams in a 20 gallon long?	kindbud	Fish	4	07-21-2004 08:34 PM
german blue rams / long fin blue rams? HELP!	cookingnerd607	Fish	4	07-04-2004 04:41 AM
bovarian rams vs blue rams vs wild rams	all4funwfish	Fish	1	02-15-2004 08:35 PM
HELP please!? Rams breeding???	KellyQ	Fish	10	02-15-2004 07:54 AM
A few questions on rams	Verminaard	Fish	0	02-12-2004 09:47 PM

Advertisements
Get Rid of Advertisements