Karackle's guppy/endler experiment RIP - taken down in preparation for moving

[suebe333]

Originally Posted by Karackle

Enjoy!

I want this one LOL , I did find a pretty scarlet female at petsupermarket the other day , not quite as pretty as yours though

[Karackle]

Heeheehee this one is actually a male, but I know what you mean about a red female, they are definitely a bit harder to come by. I love the scarlet colored guppies, i had one before, actually his genes should be in the babies somewhere because he was the original guppy papa, unfortunately he passed away recently, but these new guppies are gorgeous enough in their own right!

[sewingalot]

So I guess I should be happy!



This is a female, but her tail is pushed up to look like a mail.


Sorry, Kara. Didn't mean to hijack. I cannot get over that male picture. He is so good looking, that female is chasing him, lol! You are going to have some great hybrids!

[Karackle]

You are definitely lucky! those are very pretty females! And not to worry, I don't think it's a threadjack, we're talking about red females! And I don't mind anyway, wherever the conversation goes, it goes. When I have tank updates, I'll still post them

And yes, he is a pretty sexy male, she's totally chasing him and he's like "woah lady, i'm still getting settled into this new tank stop following me!"

[Karackle]

Well I know that he doesn't live in this tank anymore, but I was lying in bed watching the fishies swimming in the tank and I noticed one of the males that I'd moved to the 30g that I thought just looked like an endler originally looked like he definitely might be a hybrid! He's a little bigger than the other endlers, definitely has a longer than normal tail and his dorsal fin is also a bit longer and colorful as opposed to the short colorless dorsal fin of a pure male endler

I tried to snap some pics of him, didn't get any great ones and unfortunately none with another male in the picture for comparison, but here are the two best I got!




*EDIT* Dug up some pure endler male pictures for comparison, notice the shorter tail, and shorter and less colorful dorsal fin

[FrostyNYC]

There are definitely true (nonhybrid) endlers with colorful dorsal fins. About 20% of my males get color in their dorsal fin and maybe 20% get a bottom sword on their tail. And to the best of my knowledge, they've never been crossed. Several of Adrian's N-class strains also have colored dorsal fins.

[Karackle]

Very cool, good info to know thanks! I've been keeping an eye on this one though and I'm pretty sure he is a hybrid. His tail is getting progressively longer and he's a bit bigger than the non-hybrid males I had / have. The dorsal fin is quite a bit longer too than what I've seen on the males I used to start the hybrid project, and his colors are much more pastel and less neon than the other male endlers. It is of course certainly possible he's just an oddball....but since he came from the breeding tank where I intentionally mixed guppies and endlers to make hybrids, there is a good chance he's a hybrid. Actually there is a good chance they are all hybrids but he just is showing more guppy traits than the others.

I will try to update with more recent, and better (if I can) pictures soon!

[mithrius]

pretty cool! keep postng pics!
my very first fish were guppies.. i will always have a special place in my heart for them. they are all so pretty, even the plain females. <3

[sewingalot]

Looking forward to news.....hint.

[Karackle]

mithrius - thanks! I love guppies too, they're so beautiful, being so easy to keep, I think they get sort of brushed off a lot by more experience hobbyists, but they are such a great way to add some gorgeous color to a tank! They have a special place in my heart too, can you tell?

Sara - I know! I need to get new pictures! I was home this weekend for my brother's fiancee's bridal shower (3 hour drive), and I have an interview to go to tomorrow (3 hour drive), so i'm busy busy but I will try to post updates sooooooooon If i can, i'll take pics before I leave tonight and post them when I can't sleep

[Karackle]

Well, in preparation for the move, I gave most of the fish from this project to my Coworker's mom who is a guppy breeder who has always wanted to try Endlers.

I kept a couple of the endler-looking-males in my 30g, the pineapple and blue guppy males are also in my 30g, and the 3 different red guppy males, 4 endler-looking-male and 1 leopard-guppy-looking-male babies are in the 10g tank I recently set up with my coworkers in our office. Even though I'll be moving soon, I know they'll be in good hands here

[sewingalot]

Wah!!!!

[Karackle]

I know

It got to be too much with everything else like trying to find a job and a house and things like that. I was forgetting to search for and remove endler males and guppy females, and really I just didn't have enough tanks for this project. Maybe one day I'll set it back up and actually pay better attention to separating the ones I don't want breeding with each other into their own tanks.

Until then, I am down to just 2 tanks. It's weird.