Small unheated tank fish ideas

[@marko@]

-----------------------------(the dashes were where i was being stupid, please ignore). white/gold clouds like cooler temps and my school was very happy in their 6 gal, but it was very overgrown with HM up to the surface in the whole back half of the tank and they never went there, so it may as well have been a 3 gal in terms of space (not as good though in terms of bioload and stability, but 4 gold clouds is still less bioload then a paradise fish).

[Asgard]

Originally Posted by @marko@

paradise fish arent that suited to the cold.

http://aquaworld.netfirms.com/Labyri..._ocellatus.htm says: "The fish should be kept below 12 degrees in winter , and at not too high temperatures in the summer(22-25 degrees)" and "Considering that in the natural habitat the fish survive temperatures of -20 degrees(watertemp 3-4 degrees near the bottom where the fish hibernate) it can be kept in deep ponds the whole year round." I keep mine (Macropudus opercularis & Macropudus ocellatus) with WC outside (like this )without any problems. Fish from Chinese origin can handle low temps better then Vietnamese fish, the QuangNam—Vietnam population is tropical and should not be kept in low temps.

white/gold clouds like cooler temps

Tanichthys species (there are more then one) originate from the same regions (habitats) as the Macropodus species.

and my school was very happy in their 6 gal, but it was very overgrown with HM up to the surface in the whole back half of the tank and they never went there, so it may as well have been a 3 gal in terms of space (not as good though in terms of bioload and stability, but 4 gold clouds is still less bioload then a paradise fish).

I agree, but WC are schooling fish, 4 is not a school.

But in a 3G tank?, the fish will not be living, but surviving.
I say: shrimp, snails or a bigger tank

[@marko@]

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oh, i thought....
ok whoops.

well, who keeps their house at 12C in winter (thats 53F)?

a school as how much it takes for the fish to exibit schooling behavior, i had 6 at one time, now down to one (its over a long period, not like overnight), until the last one died, the 2 were still schooling, but very rarely.

[Asgard]

Originally Posted by @marko@

?
oh, i thought....
ok whoops.

No problem, we all have our "learning-moments"

well, who keeps their house at 12C in winter (thats 53F)?

Almost nobody, and that's why most people shouldn't keep them (M. Ocellatus), and I have them outside.

a school as how much it takes for the fish to exibit schooling behavior, i had 6 at one time, now down to one (its over a long period, not like overnight), until the last one died, the 2 were still schooling, but very rarely.

I agree, buts it's more. Schooling fish tend to be less shy and/or stressed in a school. Usually that's better for them (health-wise), but WC are hardy little fish, they'll live, but I still think one should keep them in a school. On the other hand, 4 WC in a 3G it will alway's look like the're schooling

Besides: It's very hard to maintain good watervalues in a 3G, e.g. nitrite spikes etc. I don't think it's suitable for fish, 3G is very "nano".