Died SAE

**mario_r** · 05-12-2008, 04:00 PM

Can anyone explain why one of my SAE died after i changed the water??
i did 50% water changed, its not a monthly WC but its because i had 0.25 on ammonia and also 10.0 ppm on phosphate. i know its alot of phosphate but i had 10.0 with 0 ammonia for a week without any dieing fish tho...

i found him dead on the substrate when i was picking up dead leafs while adding new water. its still fresh (flexible) and the color is not pale. my other tetras, rams, ottos and guppies are fine.. but guess what? my guppy just gave another birth...^^

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**Natty** · 05-12-2008, 04:09 PM

LOL

The exact same thing happened to me yesturday. I did a Sunday maintenance and one of my SAEs died.

The water change kill'em. Maybe its too much or something.

**mario_r** · 05-12-2008, 04:13 PM

do you use straight cold tap water?? cuz i am assuming its because of the coldness of the water...

**Natty** · 05-12-2008, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mario_r

do you use straight cold tap water?? cuz i am assuming its because of the coldness of the water...

It's probably during the big change (either water condition or temperature like you said) that affected them. They definately seem more sensitive than my mollies.

My mollies are so tough I'm wondering now if I threw them on line, would they just evolve two hands and feet and begs me for more food (like my cousin whom drops by every so often)

Next time we do water changes, I guess just do it slowly. Maybe they can't stand the 50% change like I did.

rasetsu · 05-12-2008, 06:26 PM

I had a SAE die after a PWC. No indications of anything prior. Did the WC, then noticed the SAE flop around and do belly rolls....died right when I went to net it out to QT. Water was a little acidic and low on alkilinity, but all other fish were fine including the 3 other SAEs.

honor · 05-12-2008, 06:41 PM

maybe they have short shelf life?

**lauraleellbp** · 05-12-2008, 07:02 PM

Sounds like they may be more sensitive to temp changes than some other fish.

**John7429** · 05-12-2008, 07:12 PM

Bummer...

I woke up today to find all 6 of my rummynose gone...

lol

sick lid · 05-12-2008, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mario_r

do you use straight cold tap water?? cuz i am assuming its because of the coldness of the water...

Why would you? Seattle water is probably as cold as BC water straight out of the cold tap.

newshound · 05-12-2008, 08:52 PM

I do a 50% wc every week with no ill effects
I just add the new water slowly over two hours min. (proper temp aswell)
is it possible you have OTS?
the only sae that died of mine has been from when a tank heater stuck on.
I keep loaches so I have to have great water conditions.

DaveS · 05-12-2008, 09:58 PM

Maybe it is just a coincidence. I have found SAEs can be hard to get acclimated, but they seem to be pretty hard to kill once they get established. Maybe less than ideal tank conditions had it ready to kick off and the waterchange was the final straw.

Dave

fshfanatic · 05-12-2008, 10:05 PM

Suicide.

**mario_r** · 05-12-2008, 11:52 PM

well i think they are very sensitive to temp changes like lauraleellbp and natty said.. well i had him for like a month and hmm this is kinda sad-_-.. next time will slow down with adding the water... thanks all...
wth!! 6 rummynose?? how come??

@marko@ · 05-13-2008, 12:25 AM

why use cold tap, it takes me less then 3 minutes to get the tap to a max of 1 degree away from the tank temp. so in a 50% wc thats only .5 degree change, and they are ok with that.

Matsu49 · 05-13-2008, 09:59 AM

Sorry to hear about your SAE. I should watch out when I do my WC.

05-12-2008, 04:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
mario_r Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 78	Died SAE Can anyone explain why one of my SAE died after i changed the water?? i did 50% water changed, its not a monthly WC but its because i had 0.25 on ammonia and also 10.0 ppm on phosphate. i know its alot of phosphate but i had 10.0 with 0 ammonia for a week without any dieing fish tho... i found him dead on the substrate when i was picking up dead leafs while adding new water. its still fresh (flexible) and the color is not pale. my other tetras, rams, ottos and guppies are fine.. but guess what? my guppy just gave another birth...^^

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lauraleellbp Fresh Fish Freak (View User Tanks) PTrader: (22) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 7,280	Sounds like they may be more sensitive to temp changes than some other fish. __________________ Laura Lee; 29gal, 46gal,and 90gal FW planted in progress- see my journal at http://forums.tfhmagazine.com/viewto...p?f=82&t=23207

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John7429 Sergeant (View User Tanks) PTrader: (38) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 651	Bummer... I woke up today to find all 6 of my rummynose gone... lol __________________ Sergeant of Marines

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newshound Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: May 2005 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 441	I do a 50% wc every week with no ill effects I just add the new water slowly over two hours min. (proper temp aswell) is it possible you have OTS? the only sae that died of mine has been from when a tank heater stuck on. I keep loaches so I have to have great water conditions. __________________ under stock over filter

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Natty Welcome To God's Ant Farm (View User Tanks) PTrader: (31) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oakland, California Posts: 1,978	LOL The exact same thing happened to me yesturday. I did a Sunday maintenance and one of my SAEs died. The water change kill'em. Maybe its too much or something.

05-12-2008, 04:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
mario_r Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 78	do you use straight cold tap water?? cuz i am assuming its because of the coldness of the water...

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rasetsu Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 250	I had a SAE die after a PWC. No indications of anything prior. Did the WC, then noticed the SAE flop around and do belly rolls....died right when I went to net it out to QT. Water was a little acidic and low on alkilinity, but all other fish were fine including the 3 other SAEs.

05-12-2008, 06:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
honor Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Los Angeles California Posts: 379	maybe they have short shelf life?

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DaveS Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lima, OH Posts: 469	Maybe it is just a coincidence. I have found SAEs can be hard to get acclimated, but they seem to be pretty hard to kill once they get established. Maybe less than ideal tank conditions had it ready to kick off and the waterchange was the final straw. Dave

05-12-2008, 11:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
mario_r Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 78	well i think they are very sensitive to temp changes like lauraleellbp and natty said.. well i had him for like a month and hmm this is kinda sad-_-.. next time will slow down with adding the water... thanks all... wth!! 6 rummynose?? how come??

05-13-2008, 12:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
@marko@ Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: livingston, nj Posts: 2,259	why use cold tap, it takes me less then 3 minutes to get the tap to a max of 1 degree away from the tank temp. so in a 50% wc thats only .5 degree change, and they are ok with that. __________________ Eheim Pimp #296 Eheim Ecco 2232 (x2), Eheim Ecco 2234 (x1) Lizards: Rheia: Leopard gecko with 20 gallon desert terrarium Tanks: 20L: community Eclipse 3: betta tank 6g reef: clown pair tank If you want to view my profile, TOO BAD. it links to a different persons profile (isnt that nice?).

05-13-2008, 09:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
Matsu49 Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hawaii Posts: 73	Sorry to hear about your SAE. I should watch out when I do my WC.

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