Age Discrimination When Buying Fish?

[Lycosa]

[quote=guaiac_boy;328851] Don't make a mountain out of a small incident.[quote]

Maybe Rosa Parks should have just sat at the back of the bus.....
Maybe Ghandi should have just ate a ham sandwich....

It became very real and personable to the author of this thread the moment that it happened. Not me. Not you. Guiding the young of this world to stand up for what is right...not just what is law, is always worth the effort!

"I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend, with my life, your right to say it" - Voltaire

[guaiac_boy]

Well, as I understand it, Rosa Parks and Ghandi demonstrated non-violent defiance to injustices imposed by society at large. I think there's a fundamental difference in this case. Wookie was unfortunate enough to encounter a single employee who stupidly made the wrong call. I'm sure it was upsetting to him, especially at the time. He has an understandable gripe with the situation - I'd have been mad too.

My issue with many of the responses has to do with loss of perspective. There are many injustices in the world. On a scale of 1 to 10, this is probably down around 1 or 2 - hardly worthy of some of the suggestions here. I'm simply suggesting that patience and tollerance while working the problem are more useful than threats of lawsuits and cries of injustice. The victim mentality is getting a little old, IMO. Yeah, something bad happened - deal with it, get over it.

[Lycosa]

True, that it isn't by far an atrocity by any means. I agree that there is a fundamental difference between Rosa Parks, Ghandi and this situation. I didn't mean for it to be taken out of context. I simply implied that is a good thing that people on the forum are trying to help a young person stand up for what is right. I get aggravated easily over corporations and lawmakers making rules that are simply trying to bypass personal responsibility. Just think of the growing list of things that adults cannot buy simply because some of us are not responsible. Despite any of the rants on this thread, I think it was handled best by Wookie himself. I'm up to my ears in rules and regulations which are biased/prejudiced/ignorant just to be able to sell a few reptiles and invertebrates. Threads like these are merely symptoms of a bigger problem. One that hopefully doesn't get away from us! Anyways, thanks for the debate, but I think that this thread is trying to die....maybe it should....

[justlikeapill]

Hehe, speaking of age discrimination, I was going to GIVE a person on these forums a handfull of Pellia for $4.00 shipping. He wanted to send it through paypal and when I said I was 16 he didn't want to fool with me giving him plants...

[lifetapestry]

Originally Posted by fshfanatic

What a bunch of crap. The law has nothing to do with the situation at hand. He could not sue for discrimination. 1: A 16 yr old cant sue any one.

Actually, it is your statement that is "a bunch of crap." Kids can and do sue all the time, especially in education related cases. Check out cases on peer sexual harassment in grade schools, disability accommodation in public schools, and school busing cases. Parents and guardians are allowed to sue on behalf of a minor child-- this is a basic principle underlying U.S. law.

On the other hands, I doubt that this case falls under age discrimination. See some info on the Age Discrimination Act here: http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/age.html .

Even if discrimination did occur, I would see some difficulty prevailing in court because you have to show that you were injured as a result of this wrongful discrimination. Where's the harm here-- feelings hurt? It cost $5.89 to drive back to the store to attempt to buy the fish again?

Karla

[A Hill]

Originally Posted by Lycosa

I think that this thread is trying to die....maybe it should....

before it does let me add the last additional comments
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Originally Posted by DiabloCanine

Young man if you are thrifty and savvy, you can pay for your college through this hobby......DC

Originally Posted by Burks

Man I wish I could do that. $16k a year might be a bit hard.

Good luck to you Fish if you do decide to try. I can't get a damn thing to breed....

Well on that note I dont believe I will have the space to make the more around $25k a year to pay for at least 4 yrs of 'university'(sounds better ) but If I do find another super rare something and make some good money off it right away it certanly will help, but hell this hobby has helped a ton. Where the heck do you hear a 14yr old having a job lined up and if there isn't a spot having a spot MADE at a employer where they have NO family ties? thats HIGHLY unheard of at least in the NE . Most kids struggle finding jobs up here

but with combination of privet breeding and working at a lfs, I hope I can save some money to go twords further EDU.

I have some Plans/Ideas on some breeding types of things and you guys will probably be interested once I sit down and make the posts so I'll let you know!
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Originally Posted by Koi_Lover

Its Rediculos to read some of the Opinions on this Post.
"If youre not old enough to complain, youre not old a enough to buy fish!"
Im 16 myself, and to hear that just disapointed me. What ever happened to the Quote "dont judge a book by its cover"
Dont judge a 16 year old because hes 16, hes Probably more Intelligent and has a better understand of fish more than that person does. If i was with that Poor Kid, there would be Hell to pay, Excuse my language. Some people need to get with the program, and turning down a paid customer is Pretty immature and rude. What if i was going to buy a 1000 fish from them, and i just got turned down by some "Elder Punk" that is having a bad day.
People have a Bad understanding of a "Teenager" these days and it should be stopped.
Id have that Person fired in a Second, and then Apply for that Persons Job ~~ Yeshh People, I feel bad for the Dude who Posted this.
And if your On the "Clearks Side" Feel free not to Respond because thats just inappropriate.
Hey wookie, Next time you go to the Petsmart, ill meet you there and make sure we get our Fish we DEMANDED!

Sorry but you crack me up, if anything you could of thought about what you where saying before you posted. some key examples of WHY "Elder Punks" think of this age group this way is what you just said lol.

I was one of the peple who said "if your not old enough to complain your not old enough to buy fish. AND its true. you can come and complain on a forum and have your mommy call, but you cant take that into your own hands? I would call that ROYAL BS(not brine shrimp )

When where people books? I dont have a cover last time i checked

the whole he is probably smarter than the person working there is a very typical stupid statement, yes these places are desperate but saying a 16yr old is smarter than a older person is usually what some ignorent kid would say.

"Hell to pay" for not getting some fish sold to you? what are you a gangster ? Your 16 remember that, you sound like it too.

And if someone was going to buy 1k fish, they wouldnt go to petco (if they had a brain).

"turned down by an elder punk" who has a bad understanding of "a Teenager" right now I think their sterotype fits -.-

And if you where a smart manager you wouldn't fire anyone in a second. untill you knew exactly what happened.

I Really think you toook this WAAY too far.

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Originally Posted by Lycosa

(took most out to try and shorten my post.)

Support your local mom and pop pet store. They are much more likely to put the responsiblilty of caring for any animal in appropriate and able hands. Not based on age, but based on the actual needs of the animal and the experience of the potential buyer. Although this is as big of a generalization as what was stated prior, I think that most would agree this to be true.

Support forums like these, where people can get emergency information before their little charges fall victim to inexperience. As much new information is discovered by us little 'hobbyists' as ever was discovered by any zoo, research institution, or scientific method. Collectively, we have the ability to do great things!

...sorry for the rant...I have a cold. I'm a little bitter when it comes to these things since I see the reptile industry constantly pounded with new legislation to "serve the common good". Why? because Joe Cool decided to take his 8 foot Boa Constrictor "for a walk". While little granny Gertrude got the bejesus scared out of her and called her local politician. Our pets are living things that require responsibility and knowledge....not commodities to be bought and sold like designer jeans.

I thought that this was a very nice rant! I have to second the support your mom and pop stores because they are usually great! And when you refered to the large snakes banning was this at all implying what happened with New Yourk's law now for big snakes being illeagle i think? We all need to rant sometimes, Like I'm doing now lol.

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Originally Posted by guaiac_boy

Maybe I'm just old and cynical, but this thread is bugging me on several levels. First of all, I agree, the lady at Petsmart was stupid. The world is full of stupid people. Get used to it. If you go nuts every time something bad happens as a result of someone else's stupid behavior, then you're going to live a complicated and unhappy life. Nobody died, nobody got injured. Don't make a mountain out of a small incident.

Lawsuit? Get real. Can you actually see yourself in front of a judge trying to explain why this is worth his attention? The courts are already so full that they can't get to the legitimate stuff.

Making a person at a fish store dump out fish with ich - why on Earth would you even be shopping there?

Thats too good, Imagine being in court telling the jury "well I went to petco to get a pleco and tetras and she said I was too young" jury "oh well, oh btw whats a pleco?"

I agree with what you said and I think thats what buggs mee tooo.

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Originally Posted by justlikeapill

Hehe, speaking of age discrimination, I was going to GIVE a person on these forums a handfull of Pellia for $4.00 shipping. He wanted to send it through paypal and when I said I was 16 he didn't want to fool with me giving him plants...

thats total BS, Age is just a number the best thing to do is not mention age unless it is essential because it doesnt really matter. as most people find out because of me!

All in All sorry for the rant but I had to reply to this stuff, its sad what people end up saying and I hope I didnt especially offend anyone especially Koi.

Well I gotta go have fun buying fish!

- Andrew

[Koi_Lover]

Originally Posted by Fish Newb

Sorry but you crack me up, if anything you could of thought about what you where saying before you posted. some key examples of WHY "Elder Punks" think of this age group this way is what you just said lol.

I was one of the peple who said "if your not old enough to complain your not old enough to buy fish. AND its true. you can come and complain on a forum and have your mommy call, but you cant take that into your own hands? I would call that ROYAL BS(not brine shrimp )

When where people books? I dont have a cover last time i checked

the whole he is probably smarter than the person working there is a very typical stupid statement, yes these places are desperate but saying a 16yr old is smarter than a older person is usually what some ignorent kid would say.

"Hell to pay" for not getting some fish sold to you? what are you a gangster ? Your 16 remember that, you sound like it too.

And if someone was going to buy 1k fish, they wouldnt go to petco (if they had a brain).

"turned down by an elder punk" who has a bad understanding of "a Teenager" right now I think their sterotype fits -.-

And if you where a smart manager you wouldn't fire anyone in a second. untill you knew exactly what happened.

I Really think you toook this WAAY too far.

As i can see, your starting to sound like the bad Employee at Petco!!! . Just because your 20 years older than me, doesnt give you the right to say such things. I do have a Life Other than Posting 1095 threads on a Fish server.. *Cough* *Cough*
As of right now, I can tell by your Grammar that your probably not much older than i am.
"but saying a 16yr old is smarter than a older person is usually what some ignorent kid would say." You probably put more attention towards some Fresh water fish than your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife
Saying that if "your not old enough to complain your not old enough to buy fish" puts you under the ignorent List yourself. Who said a 16 year old cant buy a Fish at a Petstore? Am i buying drugs?, NO! And if that kind of situation occured with me, i wouldnt run to my mommy. Since im a ignorant Teenager, ill act like a ignorant teenager. Right then and there i would handle the situation by myself.

Since Older people consider Teens punks, why not consider them punks? What gives them the right to call us names when we cant call them anything?
Its the people of this world that just have to make life seem so miserable. Give the kid a break, and let him have his goldfish. Dont think of the Negative aspects of everything. Who takes the time to think about what that kid is going to do with that fish he wants to buy. HUMM, i think i shouldnt give it to him because hes too young to take responsibility for it. Teenagers actually have better responsibility than an elder.

The Poor kid got his money that "HE" Worked for, NOT his Mommy. This whole thread turned into a huge controversy for no apparent reason. Only if people would just keep their comments to themselves.
So Sorry if i happened to affend you on this, but i had to take "Responsibility" and proceed to handle the situation "By myself" without my Mommy helping me.

Ha, This is Exciting! I shall sign up for more Debate classes at school...They will soon benefit me again.

[TheOtherGeoff]

technically, this is whatthey have to do and im not sure if its been covered im too lazy to read through it all. i worked at petsmart for 2 years and was pretty high in the ranking there. we do reserve the right not to sell to people, HOWEVER, fish can be sold to any one at any age with or without a parent. NOW - small animals, reptiles and birds you have to have some one related to you or a legal guardian OVER THE AGE OF 18. but only for those things, we sold fish to young people all the time.

[Lycosa]

I foamed --I raved --I swore! I swung the chair upon which I had been sitting, and grated it upon the boards, but the noise arose over all and continually increased. It grew louder --louder --louder! And still the men chatted pleasantly, and smiled. Was it possible they heard not? Almighty God! --no, no! They heard! --they suspected! --they knew! --they were making a mockery of my horror!-this I thought, and this I think. But anything was better than this agony! Anything was more tolerable than this derision! I could bear those hypocritical smiles no longer! I felt that I must scream or die! and now --again! --hark! louder! louder! louder! louder!

"Villains!" I shrieked, "dissemble no more! I admit the deed! --tear up the planks! here, here! --It is the beating of his hideous heart!"

[Koi_Lover]

TheOtherGeoff-Your 75 gallon Tank is Amazing!

[A Hill]

No offence taken, I can see your point of view. OH and btw, I'm 14 . Grammor is off because I was extremely tierd and about to go to bed lol. the high post count signifies commitment to the hobby and too much time spent on the dam comp lol

and I have a life too, this is just a huge part of it (1111 posts btw)

we should have a TPT debate squad

- Andrew

Originally Posted by Koi_Lover

As i can see, your starting to sound like the bad Employee at Petco!!! . Just because your 20 years older than me, doesnt give you the right to say such things. I do have a Life Other than Posting 1095 threads on a Fish server.. *Cough* *Cough*
As of right now, I can tell by your Grammar that your probably not much older than i am.
"but saying a 16yr old is smarter than a older person is usually what some ignorent kid would say." You probably put more attention towards some Fresh water fish than your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife
Saying that if "your not old enough to complain your not old enough to buy fish" puts you under the ignorent List yourself. Who said a 16 year old cant buy a Fish at a Petstore? Am i buying drugs?, NO! And if that kind of situation occured with me, i wouldnt run to my mommy. Since im a ignorant Teenager, ill act like a ignorant teenager. Right then and there i would handle the situation by myself.

Since Older people consider Teens punks, why not consider them punks? What gives them the right to call us names when we cant call them anything?
Its the people of this world that just have to make life seem so miserable. Give the kid a break, and let him have his goldfish. Dont think of the Negative aspects of everything. Who takes the time to think about what that kid is going to do with that fish he wants to buy. HUMM, i think i shouldnt give it to him because hes too young to take responsibility for it. Teenagers actually have better responsibility than an elder.

The Poor kid got his money that "HE" Worked for, NOT his Mommy. This whole thread turned into a huge controversy for no apparent reason. Only if people would just keep their comments to themselves.
So Sorry if i happened to affend you on this, but i had to take "Responsibility" and proceed to handle the situation "By myself" without my Mommy helping me.

Ha, This is Exciting! I shall sign up for more Debate classes at school...They will soon benefit me again.

[bioch]

It could be race discrimination.