_Dosing Regime's_

[John S]

Trace Element and Iron, either Retail Premixed, such as Flourish, TMG, etc or Plantex CSM,CSM+B,CSM+B w/Extra Iron & Fe/Iron Chelate 10%- mix 1Tbsp per 250ml/ one capful=5ml

ok just one ? for u if i wanted to just mix a bottle of Iron Chelate 10% would i add 1 tbsp of iron to 250ml of h2o and how much would every ml add to a 20 gal tank???

[Naja002]

According to the fertilator:

18 grams (1 Tbsp-?) added to 250ml of water would add 0.1ppm per ml. on a 20 gal tank.

HTH

[TINNGG]

Ok, my brain is officially fried.

It's been so long since I've looked at a math problem more complex than
1+1=6 (what?! You mean it doesn't? Ahhhhh... They're coming to take me away! hahah).

How does spectracide stump remover compare to green light?

And I have a canister of No Salt here for potassium - is that usable?

I know, I know; Greg Watson. I promise, I will order from him. I need to get some trace anyway since finding Seachem trace around here is an exercise in frustration (I can find it *if* I want to blow an hour or more and waste gas)

[Wö£fëñxXx]

Originally Posted by TINNGG

Ok, my brain is officially fried.

You're mind is aglow with trancient nodes of thought.

How does spectracide stump remover compare to green light?

The back of the bottle will say something like Active ingredient 100% Potassium Nitrate.

And I have a canister of No Salt here for potassium - is that usable?

Yes indeed

I know, I know; Greg Watson. I promise, I will order from him. I need to get some trace anyway since finding Seachem trace around here is an exercise in frustration (I can find it *if* I want to blow an hour or more and waste gas)

I would make it easy on myself and order all you need from him, its to easy.

[TINNGG]

Originally Posted by Wö£fëñxXx

You're mind is aglow with trancient nodes of thought.


The back of the bottle will say something like Active ingredient 100% Potassium Nitrate.

Yes, and they're mostly fried thoughts. Not enough sleep, too many kids, and no math to speak of in 20 years.

I looked on the spectracide site as the bottle doesn't say anything. They have the MSDS on there but for some reason my computer won't open it (get a warning that this operation isn't allowed). So... I dunno.

Edit - I should have looked closer at the list of links Google pulled up. There's a site out there that lists household products, and ingredients as per the MSDS - it's 100% Potassium Nitrate. Ok. That'll work then huh?

What concentration of potassium is in the No Salt? I've heard it and Nu Salt recommended but no dosing info (so far, or maybe I haven't looked hard enough)

[Wö£fëñxXx]

I have used spectracide stump remover, so yeah you sure can use it, as far as the No Salt goes, I really could not say, I have not used it, I use K2S04.
I believe there are a couple/few here that have used NoSalt in the past, maybe they will read this and respond.
Come on you NoSalt users answer the gal's question

The spectracide should have enough potassium in it to keep you at a satifactory level, unless you start really pumping some light over the tank.

[plantbrain]

I like not having to say all this

Thanks Craig

I prefer Grant's or Cooke's brand stump remover for KNO3.
Always have.

A simple thing for auto dosers, take the total amount of water you add to that doser container, divide by how much it'll dose for that time frame and add the dry ferts.

An example explains this better:

Say the dosing pump will add 50mls a day.

50X7 days in a week= 350 mls total.

Say you want to make dosing batches once every two weeks.

Add the total weekly EI amounts suggested x 2.

That's it.

No need to figure ppms etc and funny conversions etc.

Just add the amount dosed of liquid per 2 weeks(700mls in this example), add the dry ferts for a two week time frame. That's it, very simple.

Rather than worrying about how much is dosed each day, you think over a week or two week time frame etc, so 30ppm of NO3/7 days = 4+ppm NO3 etc per day.

This is a much easier auto dosing method and calculation.

Daily measurements are not very telling, but 2-3 week times frames are when it comes to dosing routines.

For Traces, you can do the same thing, I tend to add TMG and then add some RO water to get my dosing dilutions.

Do not mix PO4 and traces together in a auto dosing system!

You folks that like daily dosing, simply alternate traces/macros, so every other day. TMG will not preciptate out nearly as much as Flourish.
It also have a fair amount of Mg(this can be added to Flourish and CMS as well and will help a little, or added separately).

Regards,
Tom Barr

[Alight]

At least the New salt I'm using is essentially 100% potassium chloride (KCl. I believe Chuck Gadds dose calculator includes KCl as well as K2SO4 for calculating how much to add.
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_p...1ppm+Phosphate and so does the fertilator

http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...fertilator.php

[TINNGG]

The NoSalt I have here lists the ingredients on the back as Potassium Chloride, Potassium Bitartrate, Adipic Acid, Silicon Dioxide, Mineral Oil, and Fumaric Acid. Hmmmmmm...

Methinks this might be better in the kitchen. :/ Chuck's calculator is kinda useless here - Mac, not PC <mutter>

[seastar0328]

Using the calculations found in this thread, I have crunched the numbers and come up with what I needed. BUT...(and there's always a but)

My dry ferts have different chemical compilations. I wasn't very good at chemistry...kept my science gpa below the req'd for vet school...even after taking each class twice. I can, however, do the calculations if someone reminds me how to do them for each mineral.

My ferts are N= Nitrate of soda...16-0-0
total nitrogen (N) = 16%
16% nitrate nitrogen
derived from: nitrate of soda
potential basicity - 580 lbs calcium carbonate per ton.

Superphosphate 0-18-0
Available Phosphat (P2O5) = 18%
Derived from : superphosphate

Muriat of Potash which is not the KCl as calculated in this thread already
0-0-60
Soluble Potash (K2)) = 60%
Derived from: muriat of Potash

Today is day 1 with fertilizers so I'm a fresh newb.

Also I read that dosing Fe is a "luxury not a necessity". Knowing this after I bought some liquid iron, I didn't dose my tank yet. It does, however, contain some trace minerals as well: Sulfur, Copper, Manganese, and Zinc. I thought copper was bad bad bad news for fish though this contains .125% water soluble copper.

Again, if someone can remind me how to do these long a** calculations on each substance (macros at least), I will be willing to do the work on my own. Or let me know if they do use these substances, how to figure out the dosing.

Thanks

[Wö£fëñxXx]

I am not familuar with some of your compounds, but that does not mean much although I am a bit leery of your N03 and P04.
Any highschool student should be able to read a set of measuring spoons and a list of tank sizes and the amount to dose is listed on the front of this thread.
If in doubt get the known compounds from www.gregwatson.com just to keep things simple.
For the chemically challenged
http://users.ev1.net/~SPITUCH/Chemicals/chemicals.html

You may also want to read www.rexgrigg.com

[sunmiztres]

This is a wonderful thread, thanks everyone. I just have a question, my nitrates are always alittle high. If i have 20 or 30 ppm of nitrates then i should not does them, Am I correct? I am trying to get them down through water changes but they won't go down. I have 10 ppm of nitrates out of the faucet. Also what should my Nitrate reading be at for a heavily planted tank with 4 WPG on the light?
Thanks

[Wö£fëñxXx]

20/30ppm is good, especially with 4wpg, you should be dosing about half the recommended amount if in fact you do have 10ppm out of tap.
Are you dosing any? if not, I would question you method of testing, and take the results of a $10 kit with a grain of salt.

How is the plant health/ growth rate and overall tank performing?

How is your C02?
I could go on with questions, read this thread and rexs guide if you need too.

[sunmiztres]

Originally Posted by Wö£fëñxXx

20/30ppm is good, especially with 4wpg, you should be dosing about half the recommended amount if in fact you do have 10ppm out of tap.
Are you dosing any? if not, I would question you method of testing, and take the results of a $10 kit with a grain of salt.

How is the plant health/ growth rate and overall tank performing?

How is your C02?
I could go on with questions, read this thread and rexs guide if you need too.

No I have never dosed nitrates since my nitrates have been high other then the traces that contains a little of it . My plants are growing like crazy. I have pressurized co2 for all my tanks and i run about 40ppm of it. The only thing i have that makes me think i should dose nitrates is a bit of algae on the glass and some hair algae in one of my tanks. I have tested my nitrate with 3 different test kits and they always come back reading the same as the rest of the kits. I have 3 different tanks. The ones that have fry always run higher since i over feed them, I think.
Are you saying I should go ahead and dose nitrates even though my test kit says I have 30? Do you think it will help with the algae.
I have read rex's guide and this whole thread plus tons of other stuff and I am trying to find my nitch.
Thanks for any more info you can give.

[TINNGG]

How often are you doing water changes? I had a brief experience with a (planted) tank of juvie angels having nitrates of 40+. The fish pipples suggested daily w/c to get down the nitrates. I complied as by then I'd already lost 2 of the 5 and was starting to wonder if I was going to lose all of them. They're wilds so probably had never seen a nitrate before my acquiring them.