Eheim Classic media container: 2213 only, or others also?

[ColeMan]

I would imagine that the weight is contingent upon 1) the type of media used (obviously a canister full of filter floss isn't going to weight as much as one full of ceramic media) and 2) the amount of nastiness accrued in your filter since the last cleaning!

Here's a great link for eheim classic maintenance:

http://www.rexgrigg.com/Eheim%20Clas...structions.htm

[deeda]

If you want a media container just get a media bag to put your media in. That's what I use for my 2217. It doesn't take me any longer to clean the 2217 than it does the 2028. A kitchen colander dedicated to fish only use is very helpful when performing filter maintenance. I've also discovered baby fish in my filters when draining them for cleaning. This happens both in my Eheims & in Aquaclear filters.

[lescarpentier]

Originally Posted by ColeMan

I would imagine that the weight is contingent upon 1) the type of media used (obviously a canister full of filter floss isn't going to weight as much as one full of ceramic media) and 2) the amount of nastiness accrued in your filter since the last cleaning!

That filter floss is heavy too when it is soaked with water.

Originally Posted by ron521

"a basket full of media would be very heavy,so it would not be practical" So, how heavy is the 2217 green outer housing when it is carried to the sink, full of media? Alternatively, just how is servicing performed on the 2217?

The outer housing is heavily constructed,while the insert is lightly constructed.The outer housing will easily support the weight.

When I service the Classics I carry them to the sink for cleaning.I have the choice of either back flushing,or entirely removing the media for a more thorough cleaning.You mentioned in an earlier post that you would only remove the basket for cleaning,and leave the rest of the filter attached.This is a bad idea because every time that the filter is opened you must also clean the impeller and the impeller well.This is especially important with the 2213 because they have a cooling channel insert that must be kept clean.

Furthermore,I can't imagine anybody on their knees working in the cramped quarters of an aquarium stand trying to lift out a slimy basket full of nasty dripping media,and then carrying it to the sink anyway.I use the provided quick disconnects to detach the filter from the plumbing and remove the entire filter for proper servicing and maintenance.

[fshfanatic]

Originally Posted by ron521

"a basket full of media would be very heavy,so it would not be practical"

So, how heavy is the 2217 green outer housing when it is carried to the sink, full of media? Alternatively, just how is servicing performed on the 2217?

Depends on the weight of the media itself. I have a 2217 and absolutely love it.

If a disabled, crippled old fart like myself can handle it, I am sure you wont have any issues.

I back flush the unit once every three months or so and replace the floss. Takes a total of 5-7 minutes from the time I disconnect it till the time I reconnect it.

Every 6 months or so I really clean it it out and this takes about 15 minutes.

Dont let the fact that it doesnt have a media container change your mind. This canister has been on the market for close to 15 yrs or so and is proven to be easy to maintain and will last forever.

[ron521]

On my 2213, I purposely left the hoses a little long, so that I can physically pull it out from the closed compartment at the bottom of the aquarium cabinet.
The canister stands in a rectangular plastic tray which catches any stray drips as the pump head is removed from the bottom, and I just lift out the media container and carry it into the kitchen, usually wrapped in a piece of newspaper.
Admittedly, I don't clean the impeller every time I service the unit, although, yes, I really should.
However, I really see the media container as simplifying media changes, and I like it better than a bag, although I am not sure why.
So, if, as it seems, that the media container is only available on the 2213, then I may purchase a second 2213 and run them in parallel on my 75 gallon tank.

[ColeMan]

I know it really doesn't matter at this point, as Les has us pretty much straightened out on the eheims, but, I did here back from the tech support guy at aquariumguys.com. From his e-mail:

Unfortunately I am not fully familiar with this product. My best suggestion
for technical questions is to contact the manufacturer directly. I apologize
for all the inconvenience. Thank you for your time and have a great day.

So I know this isn't helpful with the OP's question per se, but it does, in my opinion, say something about AG.com; essentially that they're not going to give you some BS answer to try to get you to buy something - something I really appreciate. My guess is that the guy designing the web page found 1 picture of the eheim classic (the 2213) and used it for all 3 models, confusing the hell out of those who aren't explicitly familiar with the product line...A post on another thread suggested that I contact all vendors before making a purchase, and I think this drives that point home: Make sure you know exactly what you're getting before you finalize an order, and if you can, physically speak with a vendor.

[lescarpentier]

I just looked at the aquariumguys.com add and I could determine by the proportions that they use the photo of the 2213.I also thought that it was funny that in the adds for the 2250 and 2260 they don't even show the 2213 at all,but instead show the 2211 which is no longer available to us in the US.LOL

[turdb0]

I got a Eheim Classic 2213 that must be at least 5 years old. Not sure if the designed has changed. This was thrown in with the used fishtank I bought so I decided to see if it works. It looks like the impeller still works when I plug in the power. The only thing that appears to be missing is the "media basket". Do I need this media basket for the filter to work properly? I know the 2215 or 2217 DONT have these media baskets. If I don't get a replacement media basket, can I just use one of the lattice screens from a 2217, or not using any screens at all? Or would that defeat the purpose of the filter.

Thanks.

[ColeMan]

lesc.? where are you?

[fshfanatic]

Originally Posted by turdb0

The only thing that appears to be missing is the "media basket". Do I need this media basket for the filter to work properly? I know the 2215 or 2217 DONT have these media baskets. If I don't get a replacement media basket, can I just use one of the lattice screens from a 2217, or not using any screens at all? Or would that defeat the purpose of the filter.

Thanks.

It will work perfectly without the media basket. You just have to get the lattice screens. If you can find the one made for the 2213 you can buy the ones for the 2215 and trim the outer ring and it will function.

[ColeMan]

Wouldn't you say that it will probably work better without the basket, fsh? No bypass, eh?

[turdb0]

I'm wondering if the impeller is supposed to draw water down the center of the media and back up the sides. So if there's no "space" on the bottom, it would be difficult for this water flow? I haven't really looked at the filter in detail.

[lescarpentier]

Originally Posted by ColeMan

Wouldn't you say that it will probably work better without the basket, fsh? No bypass, eh?

It is certainly more efficient without the basket.The basket is definitely loose enough to allow significant bypass.

Originally Posted by turdb0

I'm wondering if the impeller is supposed to draw water down the center of the media and back up the sides. So if there's no "space" on the bottom, it would be difficult for this water flow? I haven't really looked at the filter in detail.

Look at any Classic and you can answer your own question.The water enters from the bottom where it is supposed to,and is then drawn up through the media.

[fshfanatic]

Originally Posted by ColeMan

Wouldn't you say that it will probably work better without the basket, fsh? No bypass, eh?

It is much more efficient and holds more media as well, and yes, no bypass.

[lescarpentier]

Originally Posted by ColeMan

lesc.? where are you?