Excel as a treatment for BBA? Experiences?

wantplantsnotwork · 05-23-2005, 02:02 AM

Just added 90 mls to my 90 gallon, injected tank.

The bba has been kicking butt! I admit, i have not been lavishing as much attention as I used to on the tank, I *try* to do a weekly 60% change and folow the E.I., but lately, it has been going two weeks or so. The bba has always been a problem, but lately it's been getting the upper hand! How come it likes water current so much?

I keep CO2 @about 50ppm. I know it's high, but the angel fish keep breeding, and everyone else seems "happy". Reading Toms advice, I cranked it up that high a while ago. No help.

Well, heres to a solution in a bottle. Go bba, go away! DIE!

fhqwhgads · 05-23-2005, 07:49 AM

hmm, mine in my 10 gallon has seem to gotten to a lighter green in some parts, is it working or am i just not very good at seeing htings. im on about day 4 or so

**plantbrain** · 05-23-2005, 08:45 AM

Heck, get your hands in there an trim off the BBA.
Then it will not grow back if you have enough CO2 and regular dosing.

But adding enough CO2 alone will not kill the BBA that's there now...
Trim the plants, they will look ratty after the BBA is gone anyway.

It always helps to manually remove some if not most all algae you see or have issues with, then correct the environmental issues that caused them.

Do that, then add the Excel on top of that as well as add enough CO2.

Regards,
Tom Barr

wantplantsnotwork · 05-23-2005, 06:31 PM

12 hours after adding 90 mls to my 90 gallon tank. (Anybody on the dose?)
After 12 hours I do not expect anything, but i will take periodic pics to show.
Also, just before adding the 90 mls to the tank, I did a 60% change, 3/4 tsp kno3, 3/4 tsp k2so4, 15 drops enema, and 10mls flourish.

wantplantsnotwork · 05-23-2005, 06:42 PM

It is BBA.........right?

wantplantsnotwork · 05-23-2005, 06:43 PM

Boy, the more I look at that pic, the more I want to rip EVERYTHING and start over!

John P. · 05-23-2005, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wantplantsnotwork

It is BBA.........right?

Yes. You'll need to remove all affected leaves, as the plant tissue will be damaged. And OD Excel.

pk-sd · 05-23-2005, 11:13 PM

In my case I did remove most of the effected leaves before starting the treatment. Now I am on day 10 of 14 day treatment. 90% of the BBA is gone.

Any leaves or surfaces that still have dead BBA left on it, I no longer remove the leaves, I just massage it and this stuff just crumbles off.

wantplantsnotwork · 05-24-2005, 01:54 AM

Are you adding more every day, week, what is the general thought here?

In my tank, I added 90ml to kick off the concert. How much/when should I follow up?

Thanks,

m.lemay · 05-24-2005, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m.lemay

Day 8: All the bba fuzz(brush is gone) ,whats left of the bba now looks like green spot on the edges of the affected leaves. I got 4 more days days to go for a total of 12 days, I might go 2 more days for a total of 14 days of treatment.

For anyone thats interested heres how much Excel I've been dosing: 50ml/75gal everyday, which amounts to 6.6ml/10gals.

Marcel

This is my dosing schedule from a previous post.

wantplantsnotwork · 05-24-2005, 02:55 AM

That's a lot of product!

Gonna have to give big Al's another order.
Hmm. If I only have to do this every 6 months, I guess it's doable.

Sure would like to prevent it in the first place!

Anthony · 05-24-2005, 09:48 AM

If Excel does have algaecidal properties, why not use something like Algae Fix, which would save on money over buying a huge bottle of Excel. Has anyone tried it.

m.lemay · 05-24-2005, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

If Excel does have algaecidal properties, why not use something like Algae Fix, which would save on money over buying a huge bottle of Excel. Has anyone tried it.

I've used algaefix in the past and some plants seemed to suffer. But with the excell, the plants seem to thrive even more. Drs Foster and smith had the excel on sale, 2liters for $19.95.

GTApuffgal · 05-24-2005, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m.lemay

I've used algaefix in the past and some plants seemed to suffer. But with the excell, the plants seem to thrive even more. Drs Foster and smith had the excel on sale, 2liters for $19.95.

I've never used an algaecide, but I've been using your Excel dosing schedule for 2 weeks, Marcel. Results are fantastic! Algae is all but gone and the plants are REALLY performing. I'm going to continue to supplement my CO2 with Excel.

This works kids!

John P. · 05-24-2005, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

If Excel does have algaecidal properties, why not use something like Algae Fix, which would save on money over buying a huge bottle of Excel. Has anyone tried it.

Because everything else kills inverts (shrimp); Excel doesn't.

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wantplantsnotwork Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Syracuse N.Y. Posts: 276	Just added 90 mls to my 90 gallon, injected tank. The bba has been kicking butt! I admit, i have not been lavishing as much attention as I used to on the tank, I try to do a weekly 60% change and folow the E.I., but lately, it has been going two weeks or so. The bba has always been a problem, but lately it's been getting the upper hand! How come it likes water current so much? I keep CO2 @about 50ppm. I know it's high, but the angel fish keep breeding, and everyone else seems "happy". Reading Toms advice, I cranked it up that high a while ago. No help. Well, heres to a solution in a bottle. Go bba, go away! DIE! __________________ Peter 90 Gallon, eco, pressurized, controlled, 240 watts.

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wantplantsnotwork Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Syracuse N.Y. Posts: 276	Here is what I'm up against.. 12 hours after adding 90 mls to my 90 gallon tank. (Anybody on the dose?) After 12 hours I do not expect anything, but i will take periodic pics to show. Also, just before adding the 90 mls to the tank, I did a 60% change, 3/4 tsp kno3, 3/4 tsp k2so4, 15 drops enema, and 10mls flourish. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Peter 90 Gallon, eco, pressurized, controlled, 240 watts.

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wantplantsnotwork Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Syracuse N.Y. Posts: 276	It is BBA.........right? __________________ Peter 90 Gallon, eco, pressurized, controlled, 240 watts.

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wantplantsnotwork Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Syracuse N.Y. Posts: 276	Boy, the more I look at that pic, the more I want to rip EVERYTHING and start over! __________________ Peter 90 Gallon, eco, pressurized, controlled, 240 watts.

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wantplantsnotwork Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Syracuse N.Y. Posts: 276	On the Dose... Are you adding more every day, week, what is the general thought here? In my tank, I added 90ml to kick off the concert. How much/when should I follow up? Thanks, __________________ Peter 90 Gallon, eco, pressurized, controlled, 240 watts.

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plantbrain Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (57/100%) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The swamp Posts: 5,125	Heck, get your hands in there an trim off the BBA. Then it will not grow back if you have enough CO2 and regular dosing. But adding enough CO2 alone will not kill the BBA that's there now... Trim the plants, they will look ratty after the BBA is gone anyway. It always helps to manually remove some if not most all algae you see or have issues with, then correct the environmental issues that caused them. Do that, then add the Excel on top of that as well as add enough CO2. Regards, Tom Barr

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pk-sd Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 164	In my case I did remove most of the effected leaves before starting the treatment. Now I am on day 10 of 14 day treatment. 90% of the BBA is gone. Any leaves or surfaces that still have dead BBA left on it, I no longer remove the leaves, I just massage it and this stuff just crumbles off.

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wantplantsnotwork Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Syracuse N.Y. Posts: 276	Holy Algae Balls! That's a lot of product! Gonna have to give big Al's another order. Hmm. If I only have to do this every 6 months, I guess it's doable. Sure would like to prevent it in the first place! __________________ Peter 90 Gallon, eco, pressurized, controlled, 240 watts.

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Anthony Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (9/100%) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Covington, LA. Posts: 1,037	If Excel does have algaecidal properties, why not use something like Algae Fix, which would save on money over buying a huge bottle of Excel. Has anyone tried it. __________________ 40 gallon SeaClear Acrylic, 192 watt Orbit Lunar PC, Filstar XP2, Filstar XP1, JBJ Regulator, Milwaukee ph Controller, Rhinox 5000 glass co2 diffusor, 9 watt UV sterilizer, Hydor Inline Heater, Flourite with Flourish root tabbed substrate. Filstar pimp #53 How comes shoppings so stupid, looks at all this stuff I haves, what do I do's with it.

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