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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-14-2004, 12:06 AM Thread Starter
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I just used my new Python Clean & Fill for the first time last night, and love it, although I have some concerns and questions for other users:
1- I don't seem to get as rapid a suction (or filling) as I do with a regular siphon. It took WAY too long to drain and fill just half of a 10g. The hose is 75' long. Is that why (too long for the water to travel)? Would I have been better off getting a shorter length (50' would have worked)?
2- How exactly do I empty out ALL of the water from the tubing after siphoning out and filling a tank? I left the drain open, and the faucet "on", for suction, but it was very, very slow. The only way I was able to get ALL the water out was to hold the whole mess of tubing ABOVE the sink, so that it would drain naturally from gravity. And 75' of tubing is pretty heavy for me!
Thanks in advance!

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Do you keep the faucet running during vacuuming? It should suck drain the water fast. Open the faucet to full blast if you want it faster.

I empty out the tube the way you do it and take less than a minute to drain it. You need to check the connector between the python and the faucet (the faucet pum). If you look from the top, there is hexagon shaped hole that you should make sure it's tightened properly or else it will lose a lot of pressure.

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You have pretty low water pressure? I could just about suck a golfball through my python. Is your tank downstairs and the faucet upstairs?

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The kitchen faucet's water pressure is really good. And I checked all the connections for tightness before starting (adaptor to faucet, adaptor to siphon thingy, etc). Tank and sink are on same floor, about 30' away from eachother. I kept my faucet all the way on during siphoning AND filling. The only thing I can figure is that maybe the distance is too far, or, there's a kink I can't find in all that mess that might be slowing things down.

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30g= cories, platies, platy fry, ghost shrimp.
18g= platy fry
10g= baby RES tank- Turtlebuddy
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I have never owned or used a Python, however it sounds an awful lot like a piece of equipment I use at work, a hydro aspirator.

Just a suggestion WW, make sure there is nothing clogged up inside the unit where it attaches to the faucet. could be blocked with a piece of leaf or possibly paper.

Just my guess! :?

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The drain function of the Python is only useful when the water level of the tank resides higher than the level of the drain's connection to the faucet. Otherwise the suction generated by the flow of water out of the tap must fight against gravity and the resistance afforded by the long length of tubing, and that results in a tremendous waste of water. Indeed, for a ten-gallon tank, using a Python is not only overkill but probably more work than just to use buckets! I use my Python only to fill. Using it to drain would be painstakingly slow, not to mention an unnecessary environmental strain.
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I just wanted to add my 2˘ about python: DIY water changer way cheaper: If you go to a waterbed store, you can get the valve for 5$ and you just need to plug it to a garden hose, a lot cheaper and work as well.

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I use a 100 foot python and it drains 50% of my 55g in about 2 minutes. The way I use to empty out the water left in the python is put it in drain position, and then do a wrap back to the faucet with the python connected. Holding the hose over your head and letting it drain down, then wrap up like a garden hose in the circle, you will see that the water goes down. I love the python, saves me so much time it's amazing. Of course like stated you can just make a DIY python for a very low cost.

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Corigan-
that's exactly what I did, although I had some trouble untangling 75' of tubing, and then holding it above faucet level. But that's got to be the best way. Maybe I'll build up my arm strength!

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30g= cories, platies, platy fry, ghost shrimp.
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30g= temp. adult RES tank- Myrtlemamma
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Check the internals of the unit that screws onto the tap. If you syphon debris with it, chances are the unit is clogged. You will need to take it apart (the top and bottom come off I believe.) and get the debris out. After that it should work like a charm.

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I don't have a Python, but a similar unit from Lee's (basically the same thing). Anyway, much like Corigan, I just put it on the "drain" setting and wind the tube garden-hose-style as it empties. By the time I get to the sink, all the water has cleared out of the tube except for maybe the last couple feet. Then I just raise that up for a second and it drains too.

As others have posted, the higher your water pressure is (open the tap all the way), the more suction you get.

Have you tried it again? Any improvements?

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post #12 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-14-2004, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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I haven't tried it a second time yet, but will be using it on my 100g this weekend, so we'll see. I'm definitely going to unravel and straighten out the whole 75' just to make sure there aren't any kinks. I'll post as to whether there are any improvements.

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30g= cories, platies, platy fry, ghost shrimp.
18g= platy fry
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30g= temp. adult RES tank- Myrtlemamma
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Once the siphon is established I unscrew the hose and move it to the sink or better yet the bathtub, which is a few feet lower. Better yet you can use the fill function to purge the line of air first in a large tank and not bother so much with the drain part. The hose can be cut length and reassembled.

Then again I like the buckets for my small tank as they provide lots of "fish tea" for the garden!
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I do the same.. I unscrew my Python hose and use it to fill buckets for the garden outside.. the rest just drains into my bathtub.
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I connect my 100 foot Python to a pump. More power!

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