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Just realized this is an AC adapter and not a DC. I guess that's why it takes bettatail hours to put together a regulator. He makes sure he does it right where as I just rush through.

Ok, off to eBay to find a new adapter.
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Just realized this is an AC adapter and not a DC. I guess that's why it takes bettatail hours to put together a regulator. He makes sure he does it right where as I just rush through.

Ok, off to eBay to find a new adapter.
hopefully the solenoid is still be ok..
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hopefully the solenoid is still be ok..
I'll find out on Tuesday when the new adapter comes in. I REALLY hope it's ok. It was only plugged in for about 2 seconds and didn't stop buzzing until I unplugged it.

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Is this overkill for a paintball tank?

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I'll find out on Tuesday when the new adapter comes in. I REALLY hope it's ok. It was only plugged in for about 2 seconds and didn't stop buzzing until I unplugged it.
It should be OK...no magic smoke was released, I assume?

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It should be OK...no magic smoke was released, I assume?
No, I held it in with some duct tape.
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I got the 24v DC adapter and my new 0.65w solenoid works great. Super quiet although it does take about 2-3 seconds to close when power is cut. Not a big deal but seems a little weird.



I'm going to clean up the teflon tape but it's now in use.
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^ It's not that it takes 2-3 seconds to close, it's the Co2 already pass the solenoid that is taking a while to empty.

Completely normal and I have that with my builds too. I like your Co2 reactor build, got any more pics of that? Very nice Co2 system by the way, I have the same gauges as you!



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^ It's not that it takes 2-3 seconds to close, it's the Co2 already pass the solenoid that is taking a while to empty.

Completely normal and I have that with my builds too. I like your Co2 reactor build, got any more pics of that? Very nice Co2 system by the way, I have the same gauges as you!
No, you can audibly hear the solenoid opening and closing via a click noise. With my burkert it's instant - you unplug it and you hear a click immediately. With this you unplug and 2-3 seconds later you hear the click. Maybe the DC transformer takes that long to discharge?
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Look what just came in!!!

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Look what just came in!!!

you struck the gold mine.
these bellow valves are not for our application, CV look small but fairly large orifice. you can easily sell them for more than $50 each, and I think somewhere between $80-$120 each is proper.
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you struck the gold mine.
these bellow valves are not for our application, CV look small but fairly large orifice. you can easily sell them for more than $50 each, and I think somewhere between $80-$120 each is proper.
Really? I've seen lots of people who have used them and reported great success.

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This makes me sad.. How does it not work well? Flow doesn't scale well? Flow irregular and requires adjustment? I was planning on using these to replace the valves on my builds because I really like the silver handle. It has the same orifice (lower cV) as the Swagelok M series which I'm using and like. Is it the combination of low cV and larger orifice?

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Really? I've seen lots of people who have used them and reported great success.

[EDIT]: Just saw your needle valve post:



This makes me sad.. How does it not work well? Flow doesn't scale well? Flow irregular and requires adjustment? I was planning on using these to replace the valves on my builds because I really like the silver handle. It has the same orifice (lower cV) as the Swagelok M series which I'm using and like. Is it the combination of low cV and larger orifice?
who use them?
probably the Nupro/swagelok 22 series...

CV is a relative term according to several factors, one of the factor is orifice size, so a small CV but large orifice, not good.
not good means just forget about it...
the true value of this valve is on the keyword "bellow", virtually no leak..

they are in really good condition, make sure you find the new set of the ferrules and nuts for all of them and list them where you get them from, at the price I mention in previous post.
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who use them?
probably the Nupro/swagelok 22 series...

CV is a relative term according to several factors, one of the factor is orifice size, so a small CV but large orifice, not good.
not good means just forget about it...
the true value of this valve is on the keyword "bellow", virtually no leak..

they are in really good condition, make sure you find the new set of the ferrules and nuts for all of them and list them where you get them from, at the price I mention in previous post.
Bummer.. I had to fight with the seller to get these. He wanted to charge more money after the sale and threatened to tell fedex to recall the package. I really wanted to use them for current and future builds but I guess a nice profit isn't a bad thing either. The ferrules and nuts arrive today. Got a good deal on them too.

Anyway, thanks for the help.
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Just scored this 20# (full) "beauty" for $40 on CL. It's not pretty and it's out of date but I'll just swap it when it's empty.



I'm setting up a 40b for a grow out tank and this should last quite a while.
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No, you can audibly hear the solenoid opening and closing via a click noise. With my burkert it's instant - you unplug it and you hear a click immediately. With this you unplug and 2-3 seconds later you hear the click. Maybe the DC transformer takes that long to discharge?
That weird! The solenoid we use are continuous use with low response time. In the pdf they list them in "ms" like 10ms, which is instant really.

I have no idea why that takes 3 second to click. I use a DC adapter too, I also have another solenoid that uses AC110, both are the same. And that's a lot of needle valves! Damn!



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