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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 01-25-2014, 01:37 PM Thread Starter
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bacterial infection symptoms???

I pulled 5 dead shrimp today. 3 in one tank and 2 in another. I'm not even sure there's any left in one tank now. This is getting OLD now!

What are the symptoms/signs of bacterial infection?
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For some, it is a milky white coloring in the body. For example, a yellow shrimp will still have a yellow head and tail, but the main length of the body will get a milky white or transparent looking color. Sometimes you can see the progress where they just lose more and more color. If you don't take them out, and they die, others can graze on them and get sick as well.

Most folks here recommend Seachem ParaGuard or API Melafix as treatment options. Generally, the first thing to do is if you notice some shrimp that seem to be getting a milky or cloudy appearance to them, get them separated from the rest.

Also, having separate shrimp nets for each tank (if you have multiple tanks) helps keep you spreading the possible infection from one tank to another.
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+1 above.
The milky body is a classic symptom and from my experience, once they are cloudy there is no help for them. At this point you begin triage and remove all sick shrimp and focus on treating the tank. Personally I have heard about Paraguard, but I use my own method for treatment (I have successfully treated to tanks with bacterial infections saving the majority of the colony without huge losses).
My treatment is as follows:
remove any infected shrimp ie milky
begin water changes 20% every other day for 1 week
add a couple of IA leaves
add Pomegranite bark (extremely effective. I keep it on hand just in case) CAUTION use ~one/two teabag per 20 gallons. NO more or you may kill the rest of your shrimp
COMPLETELY CEASE ALL FEEDING for a period of 2 weeks and then start with tiny amounts to see how the remaining shrimp react.
With a little luck you may be able to save your tanks.

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The best treatment that I have used is Maracyn II. Very effective and it does NOT compromise your biological filter.

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I second lex. I have had great luck with that as well. I have never tried Shawn's method as I had never heard of using bark, but could see the healing properties in that. As well I always add extra ial in there when I see any signs of a possible bacteria infection


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this link has some pictures and explanations on the bacterial infection.....

http://forum.shrimpnow.com/content.p...ion-paraguard?
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Thank you all for your suggestions. Lost 3 in one tank yesterday and the last one this morning. That tank is empty but I still have one tank with 4 left. I'm going to get the meds today to see if I can save the remaining ones.

What do I do with the uninhabited tank as far as treating it? I would hate to have to tear it down since I have it chock full of plants. If I put them into my newly cycled 5 gallon wouldn't I be transferring the bacteria to it? How can I keep the plants??
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still treat the tank as if there are fish in it.

or i think you can do a peroxide dip on the plants, and let everything else dry out, but don't quote me on that one.

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I treated both tanks this morning. Prayers that the 4 remaining will actually remain!!!!
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Thank you. Just pulled another dead one. =(
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And then there were two...ugh. This is KILLING me!!!! Just beside myself. Doesn't look like its going to end well.

The red is so dense that I never saw the milkyness but that has got to be the problem.

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No one it seem's has asked about water parameter's,substrate choice,maint routine, temp's,water conditioner, feeding's,etc.
Could indeed be bacterial pathogen ,but I would first rule out water parameter's or problem's will persist med's or not.
Lot's of folk's can speculate,,but I might first want to ensure water quality or lack thereof is not the issue.
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Temp 72-74°
PH 7.6
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 5-10 in one tank , then the other 0
Gh Is 300 range (off the chart on the api liquid test)
TDs 300
Kh 7.5

Water changes ~20% weekly
Dechlorinated water
Heavily planted
Substrate is plain old aquarium gravel
Feed a crumb every 3 days and remove uneaten food after two hrs.
Tank has been set up since October

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Temp 72-74°
PH 7.6
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 5-10 in one tank , then the other 0
Gh Is 300 range (off the chart on the api liquid test)
TDs 300
Kh 7.5

Water changes ~20% weekly
Dechlorinated water
Heavily planted
Substrate is plain old aquarium gravel
Feed a crumb every 3 days and remove uneaten food after two hrs.
Tank has been set up since October

Look's good to me unless shrimp are variety that need soft acidic condition's.
I keep cherry shrimp's and amano shrimp in water near identical.
No copper based med's,or algaecides used lately?
I might increase the temp a little bit.
I only say this cause I noticed my own tank's having a bit more trouble maintaining heat in single digit temps we have been having.
With light's on,,my water stay's around 75 degree's F but at night after light's out,,,,I can see red light on heater from across the room is staying on much longer indicating the heater is working harder.
I do hope it is not some type of pathogen.
If shrimp's are dying,,and no other life in the tank,,i might be tempted to just let the tank run for a few week's without shrimp.fishes,but feed the tank a bit of food as though fish/shrimp were present.
Not many pathogen's can exist for long without fishes/shrimp's to act as host's.
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