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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-07-2013, 05:31 PM Thread Starter
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all my shrimp died last night!

20 out of 20 of my red cherry shrimp died last night. I have had them for 2 months no problem. Last night I added a cap full of flourish excel a cap of flourish and 1teaspoon NO SALT for kcl. I have used all of these things since I started the tank Why would they kill the shrimp now? Turned my tank on at 5am and dead shrimp everywhere
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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-07-2013, 05:34 PM
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A cap full? How big is the tank?
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What are your water parameters?

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What kind of filtration are you running?
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A cap full? How big is the tank?
6 gallon. And sorry filled to the first thread of the cap. I consider that a cap full since its the recommended dose for the tank.

Also I'm currently at work so I can't test the water till Sunday night. I did have my wife do an emergency 50% WC at 7am so I doubt I will get results showing anything by the time I can test anyway.
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That sounds like a ton of Excel for such a small tank, unfortunately. That's what I'm putting my money on.

Even if you've been dosing that much for a while, it's possible things built up to a toxic level in the tank.
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how often did you dose? I'm running a 6g also, and only dose once a week. The INITIAL dose should be 1ml for a 6g but there after, even less than that! I would chalk this up to slowly overdosing the shrimps.
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I use a cap on a 20g and even feel that's more then enough on mine.
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when was the last water change? All facts lead to toxicity if the death spread through the entire colony.

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I think it's the excel... It kills a lot of things...... I agree with everyone ^ there. That's how I used to kill algae... Up da dosing for my excel... Shrimps r pretty sensitive...


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Are you running a Fluval Edge as a shrimp tank? I'm doing the same, myself.

As for the overdose/toxicity argument, I actually dose a full 5 mL twice a week. I also inject CO2 while my light is on. Otoh, the tank is well-lit, heavily-planted (as in filled with plants) and high tech. I pulled the carbon out of my filter a week ago and added more biomedia. I fertilize micros once a week.

I don't really test or change water as the plants soak everything up, in my experience. I've been running this plant for about three months, only.

I did have two shrimp die in the last week, which was very disquieting. One four days ago, one last night, both low-grade males. I'm watching for a trend, as there are saddled and berried females (all high-grade PFR).
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when was the last water change? All facts lead to toxicity if the death spread through the entire colony.
It is a fluval edge tank. I do a 50% WC on Mondays and a 25% on Thursdays I dose the excel every other day and the flourish only after water changes.I think it was the kcl/ NO-SALT that killed them I have found a few other forums that had people who had massive die offs after dossing kcl. Here is a pic of the tank before die off. I'm going to dig around in it and look for survivors after work but my wife is telling me there are none she can see.
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But Excel has also been known to kill shrimp. If you've been doing this 'all along' then I'm going to go with somewhatshocked in that you had a build up despite your WC schedule.
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Both can easily kill. Sorry to hear about your shrimp. Reminds me to test before just adding stuff to mine. It's been a bad habit of mine lately.
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i dose 1 drop per gallon every 3 days =/ and that already feels like alot for my tank. Sorry to hear about your shrimps =(
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But Excel has also been known to kill shrimp. If you've been doing this 'all along' then I'm going to go with somewhatshocked in that you had a build up despite your WC schedule.
So I just ordered some new RCS. Should I just not dose the excel and kcl? I want my shrimp to be safe but I also dont want my plants to die. How often would u recommend dossing?
Flourish?
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Kcl (NO-SAlT)?
My plants have been showing strong growth, and I'm afraid if I cut back on my nutrients they will slow or become malnourished. But I am still really new to planted tanks and I really haven't a clue what the best amount of fertilizer would be.
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