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post #1 of 65 (permalink) Old 05-21-2013, 04:31 PM Thread Starter
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Deliberate theft?

If it's one thing I detest most, it's people who steal other peoples hard work to make their own for monetary gain . It's not so much stealing when you ask first, but to deliberately take someone else picture without permission and crop out the owner's watermark/copyright, and post it in their advertisement... is just plain thievery in my book. How is one suppose to feel?

As some of you may remember, this has happened to my shrimp pictures in the past and I just found out from a fellow follower of mine that it's happening again. This time across the pond from the UK . Take a look at the photos here and see if you guys recognize them:

Red Tiger Shrimp
http://www.shrimptoast.co.uk/index.p...er-shrimp.html

TT
http://www.shrimptoast.co.uk/index.p...er-shrimp.html

OEBT
http://www.shrimptoast.co.uk/index.p...es-shrimp.html

Royal Blue Tiger
http://www.shrimptoast.co.uk/index.p...er-shrimp.html

Extreme BKK
http://www.shrimptoast.co.uk/index.p...ee-shrimp.html

I feel at a loss when things like this happen. Not sure what I should do, or can do. I've tried the extra large watermarks that cover 1/3 of the whole image, and I didn't like it. I'll have to work harder to make one that I like and stick with it, even though it ruins the picture.

Thanks for listening guys.

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Yep sure enough I've seen your amazing pictures everywhere! There's probably not much you can do - but I feel you. I've even seen them on other forums where people pretend they took the pics.

Maybe try putting your watermark in the very center?

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Talk to a lawyer and have them type up a nice cease and desist order on an official letterhead, and snail mail it so that you have a post mark. Give them 30 days. If the pics don't come down you may have a suit against them, although being across the big pond makes it much more difficult to pursue. I have a good friend who is an automotive journalist and the cease and desist order works every time.

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Maybe try putting a watermark over the entire picture so it doesn't happen again :/
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You can hire a lawyer, But is it worth the money?

As for watermark, You can just do a low opacity watermark over the center of the image.


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Yep sure enough I've seen your amazing pictures everywhere! There's probably not much you can do - but I feel you. I've even seen them on other forums where people pretend they took the pics.

Maybe try putting your watermark in the very center?
I hardly go to any other forums except TPT and a couple local forums. I was unaware this was still going on. PM me some links if you happen to remember. Thank you for letting me know.

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Talk to a lawyer and have them type up a nice cease and desist order on an official letterhead, and snail mail it so that you have a post mark. Give them 30 days. If the pics don't come down you may have a suit against them, although being across the big pond makes it much more difficult to pursue. I have a good friend who is an automotive journalist and the cease and desist order works every time.
I'm aware of a cease and desist letter, but like you said, across the pond may be a different story. Do we have any lawyers on here with some insight?
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Maybe try putting a watermark over the entire picture so it doesn't happen again :/
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You can hire a lawyer, But is it worth the money?

As for watermark, You can just do a low opacity watermark over the center of the image.
Tried it. I didn't like it. I guess I'll have to stick with it, but the way I see it, if they want it badly, they will do what it takes.

I don't think I can afford a lawyer, let alone my own rent sometimes.
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I would follow Indy's suggestion & talk to one of your lawyer buddies to compose a letter.

I've had some of my documents plagiarized before. Filing suit will work, but requires a bit of persistent and it's just too much of a hassle for most people to bother with.
  • Unfortunately the only thing you can do is to RUIN the picture by placing a watermark/copyright symbol directly on the photo subject. Otherwise there's NOTHING you can do.

I can crop a picture in less than 1-2 seconds.

If I were you, I would RECRUIT the help from a couple LAW students from England.
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If I were you, I would RECRUIT the help from a couple LAW students from England.
Any Law student's from England on here?

Time to spread the word on my end.
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If you host the images on your own web server, there are a couple things you can do to prevent theft short of screengrabs. May not be handy for forum use, though you can use htaccess files in some instances.

While watermarks can be dreadful, it may be a last resort to stop this sort of thing. Sticking the watermark along side each shrimp in your pictures may end up being necessary. Seems like a good idea in light of these shady people constantly swiping what's not theirs.
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You don't really need to hire a lawyer; a cease and desist would probably be done by a paralegal or secretary anyway... all you need is an official looking letterhead and a signature. I'm sure you can get in touch with someone who can hook you up if you ask around.

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Like already said, this is your only option.
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If you host the images on your own web server, there are a couple things you can do to prevent theft short of screengrabs. May not be handy for forum use, though you can use htaccess files in some instances.

While watermarks can be dreadful, it may be a last resort to stop this sort of thing. Sticking the watermark along side each shrimp in your pictures may end up being necessary. Seems like a good idea in light of these shady people constantly swiping what's not theirs.
I will have my web developer look into it. Thanks for the suggestion.

I hate watermarks but yes, it's gonna have to stick and stay moving forward. The feeling of helplessness is not a good one.

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You don't really need to hire a lawyer; a cease and desist would probably be done by a paralegal or secretary anyway... all you need is an official looking letterhead and a signature. I'm sure you can get in touch with someone who can hook you up if you ask around.
I'll see what I can do. Now to find an address to send to...
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Like already said, this is your only option.
I'm afraid it's going to have to be more intrusive than that.

I can get rid of that in about 5 seconds in photoshop.
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I'm not sure how UK addresses work, but this is on their contact page:

Shrimp Toast,
Berkshire,
Wokingham,
UK

No numbers or anything... not sure if that's typical for UK addresses or not. You may have to order something or request a mailing address.

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