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do TB breed true?

Do taiwan bees breed true?

kk x kk = kk right?

hulk x hulk = hulk

do the rest breed true as well?

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Re: do TB breed true?

I have not seen them breed true yet any way i have done it

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The Taiwan Bee trait acts like a single recessive gene, at least when you are breeding taiwan bees with taiwan bees. So, yes, if you keep king kongs with king kings, you should not get any CBS. (It's probably a tightly linked group of genes that behaves as a single one.)

As far as hulks are concerned, I have no idea. I acquired a couple hulks myself, and, so far, I can't really tell the difference between them and other taiwan bees.

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Really? You've gotten CBS offspring from a KK x KK cross?

I haven't seen that yet. Interesting.

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I think sbarbee was saying that he hasn't seen the colors breed true.

I know I have heard kk breeds true and hulk breeds true. However all this is hearsay and sometimes breeders can be a little shady in details.

I didn't know if the other colors bred true as well if you bred them with each other.

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I think sbarbee was saying that he hasn't seen the colors breed true.

I know I have heard kk breeds true and hulk breeds true. However all this is hearsay and sometimes breeders can be a little shady in details.

I didn't know if the other colors bred true as well if you bred them with each other.
Yes, because the primary gene for red coloration is recessive, there are a lot of BKKs that are heterozygotes. After inbreeding and culling WR offspring for long enough, you should be able to get a true-breeding line.

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do TB breed true?

Yes I have never gotten CBS or crs out of them but I have breed bkk bkk and gotten wr. I have breed wr wr gotten bkk. I am working on bb bb now and gh gh now. It is hard because the gh are not that light of green they are a deep emerald green


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My two green hulks turned black as they matured, so I think this is just a color faze rather than an actual color genetic trait. Maybe once you get some babies out of the gh x gh breeding you can show us the results. Id be very interested to see if the coloration stays thru to maturity.
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do TB breed true?

Should have some soon, but like you mentioned they darken up. My first one I got on accident from speedie, thanks to his wife is berried now and she is a deep emerald green. The others are a little lighter


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Oh! Interesting information. So no one has really had pure strains yet?

I didn't know about hulks turning black.

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I know mordalphus says he's gotten blue bolts from BKK x BKK so that's not breeding 'true' to me
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Another good thing to know.

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I know mordalphus says he's gotten blue bolts from BKK x BKK so that's not breeding 'true' to me
If that's the case, the two BKKs must have been heterozygous for the "Golden" gene. If they had been homozygous for the non-Golden gene (like my BKKs), they would breed true.

Anyway, a Blue Bolt is still a Taiwan Bee phenotype. I think we were talking about the possibility of throwbacks to CBS or CRS earlier in the thread.

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No, you brought up the CBS/CRS, I don't believe Soothing was talking about that at all. I think he was asking do BKK always throw BKK when bred with other BKK. Do WR always throw WR when bred with WR. Etc, etc. At least that's what I got from his question/equations He never mentioned CRS/CBS throwbacks.
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No, you brought up the CBS/CRS, I don't believe Soothing was talking about that at all. I think he was asking do BKK always throw BKK when bred with other BKK. Do WR always throw WR when bred with WR. Etc, etc. At least that's what I got from his question/equations He never mentioned CRS/CBS throwbacks.
Ok, then bkk x bkk would produce bkk unless they each had a copy of the recessive "golden" gene, in which case you would get some bb.

And bkk x bkk would typically produce bkk unless they both had a copy of the recessive gene for red coloration, in which case you get wr.

I'm not sure how someone could get bkk from two wrs. This suggests that black versus red coloration is a quantitative trait, with multiple genes having cumulative effects.

In theory, you could get true-breeding strains, but it would take some time to select out all of the recessive genes.

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