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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 03-31-2013, 09:24 PM Thread Starter
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I'm looking at two types of the premixes, the super green and shrimp souffle. I'm hesitating on the shrimp souffle because I'm not sure if it has too much protein.

shrimp souffle: Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein min. 45%, Crude Fat min. 6%, Crude Fat max. 8%, Crude Fiber max. 8%, Moisture max. 8%, Ash max. 9%, Calcium min. 1.5%, Calcium max. 2.5%, Phosphorus min. 0.75%.

super green:Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein min. 35%, Crude Fat min. 6%, Crude Fiber max. 8%, Moisture max. 8%, Ash max. 9%, Calcium min. 1.5%, Phosphorus min. 0.75%.

Which do you think would work best in a shrimp only tank?

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post #2 of 45 (permalink) Old 03-31-2013, 09:50 PM
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As long as they are fed sparingly as a treat with a more balanced diet in between the higher protein content shouldn't be an issue. I don't believe they are meant to be your only food source.
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I use shrimp souffle and feed it maybe once a week or every two weeks. No issues and the shrimp love it.

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Ok, thanks guys. I have a few types of food already for when i'm ready to buy the shrimp. Their shrimp only tank is cycling I can't wait!!

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they both seem high in protein to me. The supergreen sounded like a veggie mix but 35% protein is still high in my book...
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Hi Guys,

Just thought I would jump in here for clarification. It is a common misconception that algae eating species fit into the classic definition of an herbivore as many people typically define it (vegetable, leaf, grain and fruit eating vertebrates and invertebrates)

Micro algae's are typically quite high in protein. Blue/Green Spirulina algae for example is 65% protein! Green algae/Chlorella 45% protein.... Algae specialists of all kind are used to high protein diets. The problems typically seen when feeding high protein diets to these species is more due to the origin of the protein than the levels. High levels of animal protein are not processed the same in the gut as algae protein, and obligate algae eaters can indeed have troubles with this type of food. The cell walls of many algae species are difficult to break down and likely require a specialized gut to process efficiently.

IMHO, an obligate algae eating species that eats a variety of algae in nature is probably eating a diet that is higher than 35% protein. This is more than twice the level of what you consider a classic "herbivore" that eats normal plant fodder such as leafs and vegetables.

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Thanks for the education,. Allen!

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My shrimp and zebra ottos go crazy for shrimp souffle
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Thank you for the really interesting information

I just want the shrimp to
a)live
b)breed
c) good nutrition
d) safe molting experience

I'm am trying to pick out different kinds of food because I read online that too much protein and warmer water will make the shrimp age faster.(they didn't say what type of protein) I know that you aren't supposed to take the info online as the absolute right way of doing something.

I have read so many threads about shrimp and it inspired me to make a species only tank. I tried rcs before but they all died. I didn't realize that low kh can kill them and i thought i was dosing low enough pressurized co2, I'm guessing this stressed them out and they died

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Low KH is ok, it's the GH that they need. A lot of folks keep tanks with 0 KH and buffering substrate, but they have appropriate GH.

The key is to feed shrimp a variety and not to feed too often. Most of their nutrition comes from biofilm in the tank. We are just supplementing them, not providing the majority of their food needs.

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I see then over feeding was an issue to, I'm learning so much with you help and research
my GH stays between 20-22 with kh at 2. is that bad?

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GH is way high. KH is fine. The generally accepted GH range for neos is 4-14. You are well beyond that.

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Yeah that GH is WICKED high. What are you looking at keeping? With cherries I've kept them at GH 16 before but that was probably pushing it. Didn't get any breeding when they were in high GH and KH
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I wanted red cherry shrimp or the yellow version possibly. I know baking soda is used to increase KH, and coral/oyster shells in the filter increase GH. Should I dilute my tap water with R/O or distilled water to lower the GH? The shrimp that I tried had problems molting for sure that's why I was wondering about KH being at 2.

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I see then over feeding was an issue to, I'm learning so much with you help and research
my GH stays between 20-22 with kh at 2. is that bad?
Before we go any further are you measuring in dH or in ppm just for clarification.
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