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Question Are my parameters OK for OEBT?

I might be getting some OEBT! Yay! In addition to the question the title says, would I have any trouble acclimating the shrimp if these are his parameters?

My parameters (btw this is out of tap, no RO):
ph 7.8 (a bit high...)
kh 4
gh 6
TDS 160

Breeder's parameters:
ph 6.5
kh 1
gh 5
TDS n/a

He says that my params will not work, but my understanding is that they prefer a slightly higher kh and ph? What do you folks keep them in?

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I personally wouldn't keep them in your conditions, your pH is far above what i would keep them at, your kh is far too high, and I we don't even know what the temperature you keep them at is yet.
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Are my parameters OK for OEBT?

My parameters are:
pH- 7.6
KH- 3
GH- 5
TDS- 155
My only suggestion would be to drip acclimate them at a slow rate. Mayb over a couple of hours.


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You want to match the breeders for best results. Your KH is too high needs to be 0-2. pH is slightly high and especially with them coming from such a lower pH they probably won't adapt as well with that big of a difference.
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I'd try to match the water as close as possible. Then, once the shrimp are very settled and doing well, you might be able to VERY SLOWLY (likes weeks or months) adapt them to your tap water or at least a tap/RO mix. But really, the breeder's parameters are easy to obtain with RO, remineralizer, and some buffering substrate so it might just be as easy to maintain them.

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You want to match the breeders for best results. Your KH is too high needs to be 0-2. pH is slightly high and especially with them coming from such a lower pH they probably won't adapt as well with that big of a difference.
Agreed. The breeder's params are just too far off what you have out of tap. Unless you go remineralized RO or have some type of buffering substrate, I wouldn't test it.

the difference in pH isn't just a change of 1 pH, you gotta remember pH is on a logarithmic scale so a change in 1 is actually very large.
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My breeder's was ph 6.8 kh 0-1 gh 5 and I am very successfuly keeping them in ph 7.4 kh 4 gh 6 tds 210 temp 68.5. All females stay berried and I have atleast 20 babies in the tank right now. I do a slow drip 20% water change twice a week. People have told me just about everything I have done from before I got them was wrong. But they are thriving and I have not had a death in months. Maybe I'm just really lucky I guess
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Ugh maybe I should just buy from a breeder who has similar parameters. According to shrimp keeping, http://www.shrimpkeeping.com/ I would be OK (other than ph) but I agree it would be very stressful to make a transition. So how do I lower the kh without using RO? Would driftwood help?

Do small shrimp adapt better than adults?

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Ugh maybe I should just buy from a breeder who has similar parameters. According to shrimp keeping, http://www.shrimpkeeping.com/ I would be OK (other than ph) but I agree it would be very stressful to make a transition. So how do I lower the kh without using RO? Would driftwood help?

Do small shrimp adapt better than adults?

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It can be done. I think a good acclimation would be crucial. Perhaps a very slow drip.
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OK here's a bit more info and more questions.

I can't really read my Ph test but it looks like a wine red color, or dark crimson but not quite purple or brown. Also, my tap's parameters are actually different from tank params, why is this? I don't have any non-inert decor, substrate etc.

Tap:
Ph 7.4
Kh 1
Gh 2
TDS 60
Temp is 65. Is that too cold?

How do I lower Ph and Kh without using RO water?
Do young shrimp acclimate better than adults?

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young shrimp do acclimate better than adults, and there is no good way to lower the Kh of water without using RO or distilled water
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I say go for it, 7.4 is not bad I would do a GH no less than 5 and kh0-2 get pee wees or juvis they will acclimate to it not a problem. Keep your temps no higher than 72 is best

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Also, since I'm a new OEBT owner how do I make sure that the shrimp breed true? I contacted one guy earlier this month and he said 90% of the offspring were blonde... not the case with this seller (I hope) but I need some reassurance.

I think I'll buy a pair and try it out.

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OEBTs don't breed true....Benibachi has some that do but they're $50 a piece and out of stock last I checked. But those are the only ones I've ever heard of breeding true. OEBTs will throw different shades of blues and blondes.
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I also posted this in my journal.

I wanted to find a way to lower my ph and my kh so I could house some OEBT, however I have heard weird things about using API's ph down or really any other chemical "ph down". Here are some questions I wanted to answer and I couldn't find much info online so I decided to do an informal experiment. BTW I really have no idea why I have this, it was just sitting with all my other chems.

1. How long does the it affect the parameters assuming nothing (stones, dw, etc) is buffering the water. Will it (the ph) bounce back?
2. How many drops required to lower the ph a certain amount?

I have 2 one pint jars both filled with tap. My tap ph is 7.6+ so I added ph down until it read 6.0 (4 drops). I measured kh, and sure enough the one with added ph down read 1, whereas the control needed 2. In order to make sure it's not a random occurrence I tested multiple jars. 3 jars for adjusted ph and still 1 kh. 3 jars for controls, all same results. So I think I can assume that the stuff lowers both kh and ph.

I will check ph and kh again tomorrow to see if there are any differences, as in if it's only a temporary fix. The idea is that buffering substrates will not absorb stuff forever if you change water using tap, so why not adjust the tap's kh and ph? In addition to a longer buffering soil, sensitive shrimp will not be as stressed after a water change because I'm not changing in 7.6 ph water.

I really really hope that this will end up good. So I won't have to use RO.

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