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post #16 of 60 (permalink) Old 03-15-2013, 01:48 PM Thread Starter
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Doesn't matter what you had when the tigers died. YOu need to figure out the params of the breeder/where you're getting them from and match that.
Funny cause my water is very close to the water of the person I got the super tigers from.

MY water:
pH 7.6
KH 5
GH 6
TDS 117
My tanks kept at around 70

Thiers:
pH: 7.4
KH 7
GH 6
TDS 150
Tank temp 72

Guess what...they died.

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I thought most tigers preferred a higher GH and KH, in addition to being around 200 TDS?

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I read so many things. They like higher pH, they like lower pH, low TDS, high TDS...it's so confusing. Seems like tigers are the most confusing. Neos you're good with just about anything, CRS are pretty cut and dry, but tigers...who really knows. Out of the tap my TDS is around 115-120. In the tank it's actually 200-225. So there's something else with my setups that don't jive with tigers. TDS should be good if they do in fact prefer TDS around 200. pH in my tank is 7.6. Perhaps that's a bit high? Temps should be fine in my tank. I don't know. I boggles my mine. Only thing I see that is maybe out of whack from what others say is the pH.

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i had red tigers in low ph for a while i would see berrys but it was pretty few and far between. as soon as i moved them to a ph of around 7.2 within 2 days i saw berries and they stayed berried. the hard part was keeping the babies. i just never ended up with any after a couple weeks. i also had oebt in a phof 7.2 for well over a year and sold several groups of them. what ended up causing me to lose them and the red tiger i thing was temp that led to bacterial infection. over the winter i was fin when the tanks hit over 73 degrees i had nothin but problems and lost all of them cause i couldnt get that tank coolded back down. my gh is 7 my kh is 2 and i had pretty good luck for a long time with them i am getting ready to try more tigers though so i will let you know how it goes
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That KH is way high for tigers. Sometimes they die. I killed 20 oebts, trust me I know.
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kh of 2 is high? or are you refering to OP?
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I'd guess she's referring to my KH of 5 from my tap water or my shrimp source with KH of 7.

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So...water parameters be damned...I'm ordering the tank, light, and deciding on a filter to order this evening. I'll figure out the water situation while waiting for the hardware to come in. I'd certainly love to be able to use inert substrate.

So here's a question...how high does the KH need to be to maintain water pH without an active substrate?

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Tank, light, and filter ordered. Went with the Mr. Aqua 12" cube, FugeRay-R Ultra Slim +RED clip on light, and an AquaClear 30 HOB filter. I might try a canister later, but for now, the AC30 was cheap and I know they work well.

Still trying to decide on what I want to do for substrate. I need to make some RO and start mixing RO and tap and see if I can get something that comes out to slight lower pH but still with proper GH/KH so I can give tigers another go. I don't want a nano PFR only tank and not sure I want CRS.

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mine kh is 2 and my ph is stable. if you mixing ro and tap im pretty sure you can use an inert sub like sand. its one of my fave substrates for shrimp, or really small gravel.
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If you decide to go with something inert... You should be able to find some really nice pool filter sand in your area of WV. Lots of black blasting grit, as well, if you want to go dark.
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Yeah, I have a huge amount of Black Diamond I can use. I just need to see what kinda water I can make and keep stable.

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I doubt if rachel had her super tigers in kH 7 water they would have issues in your kH 5 water.

However....I had my super tigers in pH 6.5 from Liam and they did well till I ignored the tank.
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Well, that's where my Super Tigers came from and I asked her what her parameters where and those are the numbers she gave. Maybe she just has a quick turn around on them so they aren't negatively affected? I don't know.

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Tank, light, filter have arrived. I'm going to dig through my rock pile to see if I have anything that might work and I need to decide on a substrate. Hoping to get it all together this week.

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