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Thoughts on mixing PRL line into Taiwan bees??

I see they do it in Asia. What do you guys think??
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It would make nice hybrids, but I don't know if it would have an effect on TB quality. The F1s and F2s wouldn't be PURE red lines anymore.

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You'd be mixing inbred shrimp with inbred shrimp... You wouldn't be strengthening the genes like when people use lower grades to make the shrimp more hardy. Your also be ruining the pure line of the crystals. No idea why anyone would want to do this... But to each his own.
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I couldn't understand it either. I have seen them on a lot of price lists and the pricing is significantly higher than the regular TBs. Just didn't see what the benefit was. The product didn't look any better.
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Ya seems like you're undoing all the work and years it's taken to get some of the PRL's to what they are today. TB's are cheap now, $25-40 a piece while a good PRL can still fetch 400$ and up.

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Seems like it might be a way to produce some really nice hybrids. Some hybrids are already looking much better than regular CRS/CBS, so the addition of some PRL genes in the mix could liven things up.

I would not do this with a nice female PRL though, as it would be wasting an opportunity to breed more nice PRL shrimp. I'd use a low quality PRL destined for the cull tank and hope some of the good genes show up in the offspring. Or use a nice male PRL in a tank with female TBs.
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Seems like it might be a way to produce some really nice hybrids. Some hybrids are already looking much better than regular CRS/CBS, so the addition of some PRL genes in the mix could liven things up.

I would not do this with a nice female PRL though, as it would be wasting an opportunity to breed more nice PRL shrimp. I'd use a low quality PRL destined for the cull tank and hope some of the good genes show up in the offspring. Or use a nice male PRL in a tank with female TBs.
They are not selling the hybrids. They are selling PRL/PBL TB's. just can't figure this one out. Also, I would only breed my male pure lines to hybrid/TB females.
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Interesting. I guess I know what my next shrimp breeding project is.
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They are not selling the hybrids. They are selling PRL/PBL TB's. just can't figure this one out. Also, I would only breed my male pure lines to hybrid/TB females.
Well, maybe the Taiwan bees end up with thicker shells than normal when crossed into the PRL. This could make Wine Reds look nicer, but I doubt it would improve the looks of a standard BKK or Panda.

Have you seen pictures of these PRL/TBs?

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I didn't see any difference in the shell or color quality. The pricing was significantly higher though. Thanks for all of the inputs. I think I am gonna breed a real nice solid PRL male to 2 of my WR and go from there and see what happens.
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I didn't see any difference in the shell or color quality. The pricing was significantly higher though. Thanks for all of the inputs. I think I am gonna breed a real nice solid PRL male to 2 of my WR and go from there and see what happens.
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That sounds like a cool idea. I don't know about your WR shrimp, but mine don't have the kind of solid color and sharp lines that by BKKs do. I look forward to hearing about how it turns out!

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I meant red KK, not wine red.
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I meant red KK, not wine red.
Ruby Red, then. Neither my WR nor RR Taiwan Bees have the same clean and solid coloration that my BKK and Pandas do.

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Mine are very solid and clean.
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Mine are very solid and clean.
If you look at your shrimp or any picture of a Ruby Red or a Wine Red you will see some black shadowing in the red. This is what I'm talking about.
If you look at the red on a high grade PRL, you don't see that shadowy coloration--at least not in the ones that I have seen in photos.

Go over to the "Super red vs Extreme red" thread, and you will see what I am talking about.

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