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It has to be your parameter and not the substrate alone. I've tried almost every type of substrate except Akadama and UP Shrimp Sand or those introduce later in 2012.

The key element to breeding is keeping the parameter stable and not fluctuate too much. Also another important thing is NEVER rush. Let the new tank cycle for at least 2-4 weeks before introduce shrimp. You can speed up by providing water from old tank but doesn't mean you can rush putting in livestock.

From experiences, ADA or active soil help lower PH which is ideal for some CRS and such, it does provide nutrient to plants. But other gravel and soil can do almost the same thing with additional addictive. I've breed shrimp in Home Depot play sand to expensive soil like ADA.

I've successful using Peat Moss filtered water to do my water change and keeping PH at a constant 5.8 in my cheap sand tank. So ADA soil is not the only way to lower PH.

I feel that my parameter are pretty stable; with my ph being at a constant 6.8-7.0 with a diy co2. AFA cycling the tank, it been running since 2011 before introduction of shrimp.
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High calcium content food never really cross my mind since I figured the special kitty litter would be enough since it made out of something with calcium in it. I was also under the impression that variety was the key, so i bought all the high quality food i can get my hand on from my LFS; all omega brand food, different algae waffer, blood worm, spirulina, spinach, dry, frozen you name it.
If there is dissolvable calcium in your substrate, it could actually be detrimental to your shrimp as instability will be a problem thanks to a rising gH.

ADA is a buffering substrate, what it does is makes a persons job sometimes easier by making up for your mistakes by buffering water down to a certain pH. It's pricey so I often choose other options, but it sometimes takes the trouble of lowering your pH to levels of ph 6 or ph 5.5 for taiwan bees. Even nowadays those pH levels are unnecessary and unneeded.

Stability is key and your ability to match your vendor's water quality may also be important for their initial survival.
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Just use ADA Amazonia and skip all hassle around fixing other substrate. It will last 2-3 years if you are using RO water.
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For neo shrimp I use inert gravel and tap water. For crs I use 50/50 tap and RO water with fluval stratum subtrate. Seems to lower the ph to a happy level
I've try Ro water but, doesn't seem to make a difference, at least in the breeding department. The person who sold them to me say he only used tap water to do water change once every 2mth @ 50% & he have like a gazillion shrimps. I do feel that the shrimps survival rate is better when i do monthly water change vs wkly.
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Do a Peat Moss filtered water. That's your only option if you are not using active soils. Search about Peat Moss on this forum you'll find many method of doing it. Remember to buy straight Organic Peat Moss.
I believe my organic dirt Scott brand soil contain peat moss as one of it main ingredient. do you think my ph need to be lower than 6.8?
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"Is ADA substrate the Magic ingredient for breeding SHRIMP ? ? ?"

Good to know. Maybe I will start spacing my shrimp tank water changes further apart!
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I believe my organic dirt Scott brand soil contain peat moss as one of it main ingredient. do you think my ph need to be lower than 6.8?
It might help. But replacing a substrate would be detrimental if you can do it another way. If not, then try tearing it down.


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If there is dissolvable calcium in your substrate, it could actually be detrimental to your shrimp as instability will be a problem thanks to a rising gH.
Really...? I was told in another forum to used cuttlebone, powder, or calcium/mineral stone in my tank. So they can have something to graze on if they are unable to molt due to calcium deficiency. Should I just take it out (It mix in there pretty well with the soil)?
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ADA is a buffering substrate, what it does is makes a persons job sometimes easier by making up for your mistakes by buffering water down to a certain pH. It's pricey so I often choose other options, but it sometimes takes the trouble of lowering your pH to levels of ph 6 or ph 5.5 for taiwan bees. Even nowadays those pH levels are unnecessary and unneeded.

Stability is key and your ability to match your vendor's water quality may also be important for their initial survival.
I ask him what his parameter is, and all he can say is he don't know because he never check for it.
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Really...? I was told in another forum to used cuttlebone, powder, or calcium/mineral stone in my tank. So they can have something to graze on if they are unable to molt due to calcium deficiency. Should I just take it out (It mix in there pretty well with the soil)?

I ask him what his parameter is, and all he can say is he don't know because he never check for it.

CRS usually just get their calcium from their food. I would just use veggie sticks + calcium. If you have them mixed in your substrate it will dissolve and cause issues with controlling gH, which can be detrimental to your CRS.

Then I would try to match ur water conditons to what you see on planetinverts.com or other literature.
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+1 on what everyone said about aquasoil. I was skeptical about ADA substrate myself but after the time and money I spent on Inert, Fluval Stratum and Akadama it is better to start with Aquasoil. The best part about this substrate is the 3-4 weeks of ammonia leeching which build the biofilm and bacteria necessary for shrimps.
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I wonder how these guy live in the wild, i'm pretty sure it isn't as clean or as stable as the tank I'm keeping them in.

On another note: This remind me of the time when I was trying to breed guppies, & I did everything to the "T" in keeping my tank in prestige condition; clean water, good food, etc.. But for some reason they either kept on dying or get all short of diseases. I finally gave up and went on vacation to asia. There, I saw a guy who kept them in a dirty algae grown 20"x20" styro foam box. to my amazement there were like hundreds of them healthy and swimming around like crazy. I ask him what's his secret was & he told me, "nothing, I just threw them in there and they multiply like crazy eating the algae." I came home 2 month later and my fish tank was dirty/black even (due to the filter clogging & my brother not cleaning it) and all the food from my automatic feeder fell into the fish tank. And guess what.... I ended up with 30 new healthy gubbies. so i was like WTF...

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In the wild huge amount of fallen leaves and tree trunks lower the ph of the water.
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I use cuttlebone in almost all my shrimp tank with no problems or rise in the gh...

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CRS usually just get their calcium from their food. I would just use veggie sticks + calcium. If you have them mixed in your substrate it will dissolve and cause issues with controlling gH, which can be detrimental to your CRS.

Then I would try to match ur water conditons to what you see on planetinverts.com or other literature.
I feel like I Fail again, since that was what I thought I was doing.

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In the wild huge amount of fallen leaves and tree trunks lower the ph of the water.
You think it mainly a ph issue? From what I've been reading most people nowaday are saying it more gh or kh is the key? But i feel like it more have to do with Bio film /dead matter.

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I use cuttlebone in almost all my shrimp tank with no problems or rise in the gh...
How is that compare to Special kitty litter since it made of clay rich in calcium? so far i only read it might lower gh since it is an absorbent form of clay.
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Since you guy seem to be more successful than i am in breeding harder to breed shrimp (crs,oebt...) Would you guy list me your parameter and how long you been breeding for? pictures would be much appreciated. thks
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