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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 02-10-2013, 08:56 AM Thread Starter
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Smile am i ready to have CBS?

I have had my RCS for a while now and they are breeding just fine.
does this mean i can have CBS and breed them just fine?
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CBS isn't the same as RCS. To me RCS is the easiest shrimps to keep and breed. I can plop them in any tank without acclimating, they will survive and breed. No water changes for 6+ months, they'll live. 300-500 TDS doesn't bother them.

CBS on the other hand requires more homework. The strive with buffering soils. Specific with pH, TDS and kH :/

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My low grade crs are more prolific than my cherries ever were- they totally out bred them. I'd say find someone local, and find out how much work they have to put in to keeping the water ok. My water is fine for them right out of the tap.
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That's what I thought too. It wouldn't be likely your ready since if the cherries are breeding good, then the pH is probably too high for CRS. We need more information on your pH etc.
I went for the gamble and went from 5-1 SS CRS in 3months. Ofc if you start at a lower grade, the difficulty will be slightly easier. Mines died from lack of buffering of the substrate and a bunch of other things.

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He's my advice.

Make sure your PH is around 6.0 or 6.5[ ] <very important
Nitrates are less than 5ppm, 0ppm is the best [ ] <don't mess with this one I killed 60 dollars worth of shrimps before with this.
Ammonia is at 0 [ ]
GH 5 and KH 0 [ ]
You're gonna need a substrate to buffer the water to 6.5 like Akadama or Aquasoil.

Patience is key.
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He's my advice.

Make sure your PH is around 6.0 or 6.5[ ] <very important
Nitrates are less than 5ppm, 0ppm is the best [ ] <don't mess with this one I killed 60 dollars worth of shrimps before with this.
Ammonia is at 0 [ ]
GH 5 and KH 0 [ ]
You're gonna need a substrate to buffer the water to 6.5 like Akadama or Aquasoil.

Patience is key.
I'm actually going to have to disagree with everything you said here, I have a colony on CRS breeding in 8.6 ph water (completely untreated, that's what it comes out of the tap at) with nitrates steady at 20ppm. They are in a heavily planted tank and were introduced to the increased ph and nitrates over a period of 4 days (an extremely slow drip acclimation) as babies and have done extremely well ever since

As with any fish or invert, the key is acclimating them when young, if you do this they can and will survive.

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CRS are hardier than they used to be and people are having success in a wide variety of conditions. But ideal conditions are always best if you can and then see if they will strive in other conditions that might be easier for you to maintain.

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am i ready to have CBS?

Pmcarbry - what are all your water parameters? Do you have any special subtrate or wood or just rocks and plants?
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Pmcarbry - what are all your water parameters? Do you have any special subtrate or wood or just rocks and plants?
MGOCPM capped with black diamond, a single piece of driftwood, and dosed using the EI method and CO2.
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Tds is something like 370 or higher, I haven't checked in ages though so don't quote me on that.
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if you get from some one local you will have a better chance with them likeing your current water. every one has slightly different water unless they use ro water, that makes it easier to match if you are using ro. ive had crs breed and do well in water with a ph of about 7.4 with that said they were a lower grade A-S tiger tooth/Vband and not the SSS most like to keep. so if you really want to try dont get high dollar shrimp to try with start with a couple maybe 3 or 4 low grade crs or cbs and try them first if they work then maybe move up a grade. and acclimations is a huge part start with young shrimp cause they adjust better i would say get teenage shrimp lol. young juvies and babies probably wont like the water change and same with older adults.
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I wish i could find some locally!
Where are you in Canada? Not sure if I asked this before or not.

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am i ready to have CBS?

Kelowna bc. I may pick up a few off a guy in Vancouver next week. I'm just trying to decide how to lower my ph by next week! It's about 7.5. And less than 7 would be nice before I get the CBS/crs
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Pmcarbrey you might keep the, on 8.6 and high tds but they will not thrive in that they might berry and breed but you are probably getting very low survival on them. I have seen into the low 7 with people but 8 + not a thriving population

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Pmcarbrey you might keep the, on 8.6 and high tds but they will not thrive in that they might berry and breed but you are probably getting very low survival on them. I have seen into the low 7 with people but 8 + not a thriving population
I started with 10, I'm up to 75+ on generation 3, and that is in a tank with angels and killis that eat a good number of the young. the survival rate is equal to when I bred them in ideal conditions.
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