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Question Shrimp Newbie: Please Help with Tangerine Tigers, etc.!

What's up guys! I need some help trying to figure things out... I've been keeping Red Rili Neo shrimps and an Amano in my 6g for the past couple months without problems. My Red Rili has recently developed a saddle Anyway, I decided I wanted to add another shrimp species that wouldn't crossbreed so I ordered some Tangerine Tigers.

I read the beginner's guide sticky last night and because it's seemed more towards the extremes -- on the low end RCS, and on the high end CRS -- I need help trying to figure things out. Because I believe TT's are somewhere in the middle in terms of hardiness right?

I'm currently using 50/50 with tap and RO. I tested my tap and since I live in AZ, it's liquid rock at 511 TDS.

Here's my tank's parameters at the moment:
Ammonia = 0
Nitrites = 0
Nitrates = 5ppm
pH = 7.5*
TDS = 375*
KH = 9 <----this is a new test for me, this is how many drops it took to change colors right?
GH = 12

*I dose PPS-Pro and I run pressurized co2. I was running it on a timer, but now I'm thinking of just running it steady at 1 bps to keep the pH lower and stable.

*In terms of the TDS in my tank, I'm wondering if it's that high, in part, due to the ferts and/or rocks? I'm also using Floramax topped with Fluval Stratum as the substrate.

So since my TDS and GH/KH are high do I need to do some partial water changes with just RO?

Another question...I'm worried about O2 levels after reading that beginner's guide... I have lily pipes in my tank and after I installed them and cut the tubes to just the right length, I can barely raise them enough to create 'some' surface agitation... is this enough for O2 for the shrimp? Would the plants provide enough O2 as well?
Here's a video of the agitation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygvj...e_gdata_player

Last question... I'm feeding these guys Fluval Shrimp Granules. Would this be enough or do I need to supplement for calcium and other nutrients?

Here's the tank in it's current state:


Thank you for the help!
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Shrimp Newbie: Please Help with Tangerine Tigers, etc.!

You need to get your gh and kh down a bunch. You should probably do 100% ro water remineralized


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Here's some as guidelines for combining params:

Tangerine Tiger- Caridina Serrata
Temp: 64-78F
pH: 6.2-7.8
TDS: 80-220
KH: 0-2
GH: 6-10

Cherries- Neo. heteropoda
Temp: 64-84F
pH: 6.0-8.0
TDS: 80-400
KH: 0-10
GH: 4-14

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Thanks for the responses... So I don't have any re-mineralizing agents. Do I need to buy one? If so, which is best and cheap?

I can get some more RO and do a water change though.
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Shrimp Newbie: Please Help with Tangerine Tigers, etc.!

Look at alpha pro breeders they have bee shrimp gh+. For the amount you get for the price it is super cheap


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How's the Fluval Mineral stuff.. any good? I have amazon prime so I can get it in 2 days.
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It is ok can be a good temp fix, but not a ideal one if you have prime look at African ciclid water conditioner, works well too


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LOL... not Prime as in the water conditioner... but an Amazon 'Prime Membership' where everything offered by Amazon ships with 2 day free shipping.
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I'm keeping black tigers in RO water remineralized with bee mineral gh from alpha pro breeders. They seem to like it so far. It gives me (per 1 scoop in 5 gallons of water) a TDS of 120, gh 6, kh0-1. Works great.
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Hey guys.. What do you guys think of Remineraliz -P from Blackwell?
http://brightwellaquatics.com/produc...ineralizpt.php

My LFS said they can get me the 500 gram jar for $15. According to the site, that's enough for 1,250 gallons! It's less than half the price of the other remineralizers and reconstitutes about 3X as much RO/DI water as the competition.
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The blackwell stuff is a general all purpose RO remineralizer for fish and stuff. Shrimp ones are made for shrimp.

Another +1 for the gH+ bee stuff.

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"Each gram of Remineralīz-P will increase the GH and TDS in 1 US-gallon of water by 6.7 dGH and 150 ppm" Depends on how many water changes, and what % you change. Ie. If you change 1g at a time, it last 500 times.

Sounds like a good deal, however because it is formulated for fish and not inverts, I don't know if they have the same mineralization requirements.

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My bad fellas.. the remineralizer is from Brightwell (not Blackwell... lol). It says it's for fish and inverts on their info site and since it's made in the good old USA, I decided to give it a shot. It was only $15 for 500g. I know it's not made specifically for inverts as the Bee Shrimp gh+, but neither was Nutrafin African Cichlid Conditioner which was highly recommended for shrimp...

Just made a batch of reconstituted RO with Brightwell Remineraliz -P. The stuff was pretty easy to dissolve. I added about 0.5g to 1 gallon of water to get a TDS of about 146ppm and a GH/KH ~4 to 5. If all goes well, I think this product has potential and is reasonably priced.

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On another note...

I spotted TWO TANGERINE TIGERS BERRIED! :-)

Yay, that was quick! I guess adults were sent instead of the usual juvies...



I'll soon have my shrimp factory up and running...
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Last QUESTION!!

I probably should have started a shrimp tank in a low tech setup... didn't even know the high tech setup poses a challenge for shrimp keeping.. should I be worried with the Rili and TT's? Or does this high tech issue with successful shrimp keeping really apply to more sensitive shrimp like CRS and OEBT? From what I read, the shrimp I have are considered hardy.
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