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Breeding Amano Shimp "The Trial"

Anyone here ever attempt breeding Amano shrimp? I have a berried Female and for the sake of curiosity I am going to give it a try/

The equipment:

1 gal Tupperware container
20 gal tank for zeo's bare bottom
Small air pump and airstone
R/O water
Premixed saltwater (Not sure what brand as I'm picking it up today)
Refractometer
heater? possibly
No filter
30" 20W florescent tube aquarium light that came with my main tank
Aquarium salt
Spirlina Flake

The Plan:

1. I will set up the 20 gal half full of pre mixed saltwater and adjust to 34ppt salinity using R/O water to reduce salinity or aquarium salt to increase salinity. The put the light against the side of the tank and leave it on 24/7 to promote algae growth for the zeo's to feed off.

2. Once I can see tiny eyes in the eggs of the buried female I will move her to the 1 gal container and fill with aquarium water from the tank she came. I will add an air stone with very low flow and feed 1 spirlina flake daily until she releases the zeo's. If water changes become necessary I will remove 25% and add more tank water.

3. Once she releases the zeo's I will then remove the female and put her back into my main tank.

4. I will then fill another 1gal tupperware container with saltwater from the 20gal tank that has been aging and growing algae. Using an air stone to prevent sucking up the zeo's I will siphon 1/2 of the water out of the container with the zeo's and start a dip of saltwater to top it off. I will be trying a drip ever 5 sec or so.

5. Once the acclimation to partial saltwater is done I will float the one gal container for about 2 hrs in the 20 gal to ensure a slow temp acclimation. I will be trying a temp of about 70F for the zeo's.

6. From here on out I will be monitoring the water for clarity and feeding as necessary as well as testing the parameters daily. I chose a 20 gal for this purpose as I do not plan on water changes but will do if needed.

7. Once I see forward swimming shrimp (zeo's that have morphed) I will wait 2 days and then start the acclimation back to freshwater over a 1 day period.

8. My goal is to have 40+ Amano's make it to maturity and work on improving yields in the future.

Any idea's, concerns or experience you can share are more than welcome as this is the first shrimp I have kept and the first attempt at breeding Amano's for me.
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Anxious to see how this goes. Good luck and keep us posted
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1. I will set up the 20 gal half full of pre mixed saltwater and adjust to 34ppt salinity using R/O water to reduce salinity or aquarium salt to increase salinity. The put the light against the side of the tank and leave it on 24/7 to promote algae growth for the zeo's to feed off.

Aquarium salt and Marine or Reef salt are not the same things... if the salinity is too low, you need Marine or Reef salt to up the salinity.

You may want to look into some phytoplankton or other small foods to feed the zoes, too....



2. Once I can see tiny eyes in the eggs of the buried female I will move her to the 1 gal container and fill with aquarium water from the tank she came. I will add an air stone with very low flow and feed 1 spirlina flake daily until she releases the zeo's. If water changes become necessary I will remove 25% and add more tank water.

Moving a berried amano into another container may cause her to drop her eggs... it can take anywhere from 15-50 days for the eggs to hatch.



3. Once she releases the zeo's I will then remove the female and put her back into my main tank.

Amano eggs can hatch over a period of days, if not weeks... be sure to have a flashlight on hand to use on the side of the aquarium to check for babies when it's completely dark!



4. I will then fill another 1gal tupperware container with saltwater from the 20gal tank that has been aging and growing algae. Using an air stone to prevent sucking up the zeo's I will siphon 1/2 of the water out of the container with the zeo's and start a dip of saltwater to top it off. I will be trying a drip ever 5 sec or so.

You could honestly just dump the zoes straight into saltwater, or even brackish, within a week's time of hatching and they'd still be okay...

The zoes are *normally* born in freshwater streams or rivers which lead out to the ocean. They tend to unceremoniously get "dumped" into saltier conditions...



5. Once the acclimation to partial saltwater is done I will float the one gal container for about 2 hrs in the 20 gal to ensure a slow temp acclimation. I will be trying a temp of about 70F for the zeo's.

Sounds good.



6. From here on out I will be monitoring the water for clarity and feeding as necessary as well as testing the parameters daily. I chose a 20 gal for this purpose as I do not plan on water changes but will do if needed.

Rather large tank. Good thought process!



7. Once I see forward swimming shrimp (zeo's that have morphed) I will wait 2 days and then start the acclimation back to freshwater over a 1 day period.

It can take 3-6 weeks for the zoes to morph into miniature adults... so you can't acclimate the entire tank at once to freshwater... sorry, not that simple! Also, you might kill the new shrimp doing an acclimation to freshwater that fast.

A day after you start noticing the miniature adults (aka, when the forward moving babies are no longer red), you then catch them, put them into a container and do 50% water changes with freshwater. If you want, you can take out 50% and drip freshwater back into their container. Do this for 3 days.

Day 1 morph - Saltwater Tank
Day 2 morph - Saltwater container with 50% water change (if you start with 34 ppt, it will be 17ppt)
Day 3 morph - Brackish container with 50% water change (~8.5 ppt)
Day 4 morph - Salty Freshwater with 50% water change (end up being ~4 ppt)
Day 5 morph - Freshwater

Adults cannot live in full marine conditions. They can, however, live in brackish water, no more than 17 ppt. (not recommending it, though!) Although the zoes can live in full marine conditions (34 ppt), the newly morphed young cannot survive lone in marine conditions either... and transitioning them to freshwater over a period of 1 day may be too big of a change and kill them.



8. My goal is to have 40+ Amano's make it to maturity and work on improving yields in the future.

Amanos can have a minimum of 300-400 offspring, and potentially over 2,000... (may depend on age of amano) So if you can even get 1 to survive, that would be an accomplishment!




My best attempt, which was my first, the longest I had one survive was up to 2 weeks in saltwater... if your first attempt fails, you might try doing brackish. Some people have better luck in saltwater, where-as others have better luck in brackish water...


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Great info @Zoidburg I will definately makes some changes to my plan. New goal is 1 mature amano lol have to start somewhere

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I've decided I don't have enough amanos... and would love to try again if I could have a colony of amanos! More offspring that way...


Best of luck!
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I've decided I don't have enough amanos... and would love to try again if I could have a colony of amanos! More offspring that way...


Best of luck!
Feel free to use this thread if you give it a go in the future I won't consider it hijacking as a comparison between variables in one place I would find helpful as would others I think

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If you are successful, I can add you to the list of people who have attempted and succeeded! I've got a bit of a list.... lol


I can share some of it later?
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If you are successful, I can add you to the list of people who have attempted and succeeded! I've got a bit of a list.... lol


I can share some of it later?
I would welcome any and all info regarding amano shrimp including those that have been successful I don't really have an idea of what the success rate is? I more just though most people consider it to be to much of a hassle.

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Bump: To start here is a pic taken April 30th first day berried. Mossy green color as described in the research I have done that indicates she is newly berried (If that is correct) As someone who literally gets in trouble for watching my aquarium during movies with my fiancee I am certain April 30th was day 1.

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I'd say the success rate is extremely low.


It's not necessarily that people are lazy, it's the fact that it is so extremely hard to accomplish!


I'd get links/info later!
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~5 weeks from berried to hatch
Do not need to be fed while in freshwater (at least the first 3-4 days?)
Transfer to saltwater within 8 days of hatching (no acclimation required)
Zoes are attracted to light
Salinity between 30 and 35 ppt (1.022 to 1.026 sg)
Air stone with reduced flow
Temperature 68° F to 84° F?
Diet (only one or two required - plankton “must have”)
  • Diatoms
  • Phytoplankton
    • Tetraselmis
    • Dunalliela Salina
    • Nannochloropsis
    • Rotifers? (zooplankton)
    • Isochrysis sp. Tahaitian?
  • Liquizell
  • Golden Pearls (5-50 Microns - larger may work)
  • Spirulina Powder (mixed with water)
  • Mosura Shrimpton
Light on for 16-24 hrs a day
Morph into adults around 3-6 weeks of age
Acclimate morphed babies (post larvae form) to fresh water within a few days over a period of 3 days, changing 50% of saltwater to fresh once a day - 4th day, move to freshwater

Side Note: Adults survive salinity up to 17-18 ppt (for hatching in brackish water) - Adults cannot survive full concentration of marine water, eggs will not hatch in saltwater

Resources;
https://gabhar.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/breeding-amano/
Amano Shrimp | Care, Diet & Breeding - AquariumInfo.org
Caridina Japonica Online
Amanogarnele Caridina japonica (multidentata) Amanos Amano Zuchtbericht (German)
ShrimpNow !!! - Breeding Amano (Yamato) Shrimp (English version of above article)
ShrimpNow !!! - Caridina Japonica breeding
Raising C. Multidentata | unspecified

Video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHDZyeVCm4c

Bump: Japanese article...
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AOwz61_2jH42iMA&cid=8130D9B85C407A2B&id= 8130D9B85C407A2B!175&parId=8130D9B85C407A2B!174&o= OneUp


Other information that may be relevant... different shrimp with similar/same breeding habits...
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AH_rLT3OA1TIONM&cid=8130D9B85C407A2B&id= 8130D9B85C407A2B!166&parId=root&o=OneUp

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AHl4-_8Dvxh3VbY&cid=8130D9B85C407A2B&id=8130D9B85C407A2 B!167&parId=root&o=OneUp

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!APbnxai8O72p-2Q&cid=8130D9B85C407A2B&id=8130D9B85C407A2B!176&pa rId=8130D9B85C407A2B!174&o=OneUp

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AOKHps_mngylgts&cid=8130D9B85C407A2B&id= 8130D9B85C407A2B!165&parId=root&o=OneUp
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~5 weeks from berried to hatch
Do not need to be fed while in freshwater (at least the first 3-4 days?)
Transfer to saltwater within 8 days of hatching (no acclimation required)
Zoes are attracted to light
Salinity between 30 and 35 ppt (1.022 to 1.026 sg)
Air stone with reduced flow
Temperature 68° F to 84° F?
Diet (only one or two required - plankton “must have”)
  • Diatoms
  • Phytoplankton
    • Tetraselmis
    • Dunalliela Salina
    • Nannochloropsis
    • Rotifers? (zooplankton)
    • Isochrysis sp. Tahaitian?
  • Liquizell
  • Golden Pearls (5-50 Microns - larger may work)
  • Spirulina Powder (mixed with water)
  • Mosura Shrimpton
Light on for 16-24 hrs a day
Morph into adults around 3-6 weeks of age
Acclimate morphed babies (post larvae form) to fresh water within a few days over a period of 3 days, changing 50% of saltwater to fresh once a day - 4th day, move to freshwater

Side Note: Adults survive salinity up to 17-18 ppt (for hatching in brackish water) - Adults cannot survive full concentration of marine water, eggs will not hatch in saltwater

Resources;
https://gabhar.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/breeding-amano/
Amano Shrimp | Care, Diet & Breeding - AquariumInfo.org
Caridina Japonica Online
Amanogarnele Caridina japonica (multidentata) Amanos Amano Zuchtbericht (German)
ShrimpNow !!! - Breeding Amano (Yamato) Shrimp (English version of above article)
ShrimpNow !!! - Caridina Japonica breeding
Raising C. Multidentata | unspecified

Video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHDZyeVCm4c

Bump: Japanese article...
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!...2B!174&o=OneUp


Other information that may be relevant... different shrimp with similar/same breeding habits...
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!...d=root&o=OneUp

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!...d=root&o=OneUp

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!...2B!174&o=OneUp

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!...d=root&o=OneUp
Great info @Zoidburg I have been researching also and appears PH of the Pacific Ocean along the coast of japan is 8.1-8.15 So I will be shooting for this and water temps are actually quite high in July when most breeding activity has been recorded around 80-82F. I'm thinking of a sacrificial first attempt splitting zeo's into 3 batchs 17ppt, 34ppt, 50ppt to compare time, survival rate etc. I read a study somewhere in the million and one pages I read today that seemed to indicate a salinity of 5-15% (50ppt-150ppt) yielded best hatch rate it was a study from 1980's but I can for the life of me find it again. It seems very suspect to me but I figure if I'm going to test some variables I may as well add 1 more.

Also thinking that ammonia will be critical at that PH so I'm think of setting up and cycling both fresh and saltwater tanks in future attempts by simply putting a sponge over the air stone and adding minute amounts of nutrients until I reach 5ppm nitrates. Maybe overly thinking this and overly cautious... thoughts?

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I threw my amano zoe into my brackish water tank to see what would happen. It already had nerites (who bred, no less) in it, so that might have contributed but in the end I have two more male amanos swimming around.
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Picked up a bucket of instant ocean marine salt (not cheap $70 CAD) and some phytoplankton Will be setting the saltwater tank up tomorrow. After a million pages of reading I decided against trying different salinities and going to go with 75F and 34 PPT salinity I will be using a coarse filter sponge over the heater because I'm probably over thinking it. Also adding an air stone for water movement.

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I tried it once...complete failure! Lost them all a few days after putting into salt water. But I was "winging it"...didn't have the right equipment or salinity. Will follow..can't wait to see if you are successful!

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I decided to purchase a new 10g tank instead of using the 20g I had as I got it used and had no clue if meds were ever dosed in the tank. If this attempt proves successful I may purchase a 20g for zeos and use the 10g for the berried females. It would be a shame to make an attempt just to have it fail because of a variable I don't know about. Set it up 50% R/O and 50% tap water so I will have minimal phosphates and nitrates to feed the phytoplankton once I introduce them. Power head on it for 24 hrs just to help with dissolution of salt. No sponge over the heater yet and rethinking this as it may catch some zeos. Now I wait, probably 2-4 weeks until I can see eyes in the eggs and then I will move the female to a 1g container filled with my main tank water. Then then let the challenge begin!

Here is a pic of the tank.

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