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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-01-2004, 03:26 AM Thread Starter
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question bout Nature Aquarium World Book 1

Fir those fo you who have Amano's first book on page 132-133 ther are some Angel Fish featured. i have looked every where for something similar without success. On page 148=149 I belive he refers to them as Altum Angels which I havenot seen duplicated. Does anyone know what type of Angels these are and perhaps anywhere they are available.
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-01-2004, 04:07 AM
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They are wild caught and hard to find. Looking for a few myself.

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post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-01-2004, 04:35 AM
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They are Altum Angels, see this link for more info They require softer water and are much harder to keep than hybrid Angels. I have seen them from time to time at my LFS but they are normally hard to find. You may have to go direct to an importer to get them.
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Thanks for the info Now here's my problem.

I'm setting up a 55 jwhich will be an Angel tank. I bought 6 small Silver Angels which I was going to put in. Actually I'm going to onlykeep 4 as 2 I deemed as being substandard. Anyways I really want this tank to be awesome. Now I've found these wild caght for sale online for $30 each which is a bit pricey for Angels. The extra money wouldn't be anything I would lose sleep over as long I was getting my money's worth. So I would like to get some opinions as to whether or not these Altum Angels are truly superior to the others. So far from what I have seen in photo's the answer would be a rosounding YES. However if I do get some it will be 5-6 so we are talking about a nice oiece of change.
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Keeping angels alive

It is more a question of can you keep thies fish alive if you buy them.

Do some research into what they require as far as water conditions. You may find that you cannot provide what they require.

No sense buying expensive, rare fish if you're just going to kill them.

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You might want to keep looking- I've seen angels that look (to my fairly well-trained eyes) very similar to altum angels at my lfs, and even at Walmart. Very beautifully striped. You might try that, if you're concerned about the real ones being worth $30 ea.

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They are about as sensative as discuss from what I have heard from people keeping them. They get quite large, apparently up to 7 inches in height, and are darn nice IMO.

I have seen them around Vancouver a couple of times, and a friend of mine has kept them successfully for quite a while in soft acidic water.

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post #8 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-03-2004, 10:51 PM
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I just happen to read about these angels in one of the aquajournal issues. It mentions that if you get the just imported wild caught fish, you must provide them acidic water (pH 4.5 - 5) and then raise over a period of time for them to adopt. Also they are very sensitive to ich, but can tolerant temp. up to 31C, so it shouldn't be a problem. It also mentioned that the tank's swimming space must be at least 45cm in height and with penty of space filled with low and soft plants, such as hairgrass. Feeding must not be overdone, otherwise, they will grow with fatter body but much shorter fins.

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Like Christina said there is a Scalare that looks pretty similar to the Altum (similar body shape and colours). So I imagine the upkeep of the fish would be quite similar to your run of the mill Scalare. Check out this link..

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I remember seeing coin size Altum angels on sale at a nearby town for $24 each. After talking the LFS manager, he was angry because the so-called Altums that he purchased from a breeder were just a variation of Scalare. I cannot tell the difference between Scalare and Altum, but Altums are supposed to have a higher body.

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